AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

That's true; my politics is a combination of conservatism and liberalism leaning more towards conservatism.

I guess I am unclear why you think Americans will vote for a party whose supporters state they want to impeach the President. I don't think you will get too many new people voting for your party that way. 30% support won't get you any new members of congress.

wandeljw wrote:

A strategy to regain a majority in Congress is more reasonable than a strategy to impeach the President.

That's a good start, but you must also have a clear plan of action once you gain the majority.

Just look at the democrats, they have controlled Congress for about two and a half
years now and all they have done is increase the deficit by a mind boggling amount.

.... If the republicans want to make a huge change for the better, they should
champion The FairTax and make it happen as soon as they regain the majority.

parados wrote:

I guess I am unclear why you think Americans will vote for a party whose supporters state they want to impeach the President. I don't think you will get too many new people voting for your party that way. 30% support won't get you any new members of congress.

You misunderstand conservatives. As a conservative and as a person, I am more about standing up for whats right than winning. I have an enduring faith that what is right will ultimately triumph, whether it triumphs in politics in the here and now, I can't tell you, but that should not stop people from standing up for sound and right principles. If we are not willing to risk failure in the interests of making a stand for right, then we are no better than liberals. I am not claiming to be always right or free of error, but if I knowingly cave when I know its wrong, that is the worst.

So, yes, I think Obama deserves impeachment, but I also believe he should never have been elected, but I am not going to spend alot of time on it at this point, unless something bigger moves the electorate in that direction, something that would hold up as clear grounds for impeachment. I think there is, but not enough other people think so to date. Only an extremely small number, probably less than 5%.

I still love you, Foxfyre, but I still disagree that focusing on getting Republicans back in the majority in 2010 will be sufficient rather than merely necessary for ending the excesses of President Obaama. I think it also necessary to begin the process NOW of persuading AND winning sufficient votes in the House to impeach President Obama.

Also, I think checks and balances by the Congress on Obama will not be sufficient for turning him "into a pretty good President." Obama is a sweet talking demagogue who is very talented at finding ways to subvert America's rule of law, even while claiming not to. Obama clearly wants, and is working hard to get, the federal government to run all American commerce.

okie wrote:

parados wrote:

I guess I am unclear why you think Americans will vote for a party whose supporters state they want to impeach the President. I don't think you will get too many new people voting for your party that way. 30% support won't get you any new members of congress.

You misunderstand conservatives. As a conservative and as a person, I am more about standing up for whats right than winning. I have an enduring faith that what is right will ultimately triumph, whether it triumphs in politics in the here and now, I can't tell you, but that should not stop people from standing up for sound and right principles. If we are not willing to risk failure in the interests of making a stand for right, then we are no better than liberals. I am not claiming to be always right or free of error, but if I knowingly cave when I know its wrong, that is the worst.

So, yes, I think Obama deserves impeachment, but I also believe he should never have been elected, but I am not going to spend alot of time on it at this point, unless something bigger moves the electorate in that direction, something that would hold up as clear grounds for impeachment. I think there is, but not enough other people think so to date. Only an extremely small number, probably less than 5%.

I can't agree that Obama deserves impeachment because I cannot see the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' that you and Ican see. In order to reach that level of 'offense' we would have to have a majority agree with the Founders' intent re the Constitution and reinstate those principles as the effective law of the land. Right now most of those principles are not the recognized law of the land which is why we are in the mess we are in. We will have to elect a majority of MACs to achieve the necessary corrections.

. . . get the government out of private business, encourage business stability and growth with the sound marketable principle that people will spend their own money more productively and effectively than government will spend it for them. . . .

Simple question for you Fox..

How do you propose to pay for 2 if you implement 1?

The Federal government is running record deficits. Military spending is the largest expenditure in the budget. You can't have fiscal responsibility if you are spending money without figuring out where that money is coming from.

Parados, Bush won on impeaching Clinton!

parados wrote:

Simple question for you Fox..

How do you propose to pay for 2 if you implement 1?

The Federal government is running record deficits. Military spending is the largest expenditure in the budget. You can't have fiscal responsibility if you are spending money without figuring out where that money is coming from.

The military isn't running deficits at all. It can't spend a single penny without authorization from Congress, so it spends within the means allocated to it. It is up to Congress to decide whether or not there will be a deficit.

But it doesn't cost any more money to change the way we look at the world and how we understand it. I think our President has taken a world view that puts us at higher risk. It doesn't cost a dime to change that world view. I am pretty darn sure it doesn't cost a penny more to house those prisoners at Guatanamo than it would cost to house them anywhere else. And it doesn't cost anything to understand that changing our policy to solicit approval from the rest of the world has always and will continue to net contempt from those we are currently 'paying' to love us.

I agree he was up to his eyeballs in all the corruption in the Chicago machine

The military isn't running deficits at all. It can't spend a single penny without authorization from Congress, so it spends within the means allocated to it. It is up to Congress to decide whether or not there will be a deficit.

But it doesn't cost any more money to change the way we look at the world and how we understand it. I think our President has taken a world view that puts us at higher risk. It doesn't cost a dime to change that world view. I am pretty darn sure it doesn't cost a penny more to house those prisoners at Guatanamo than it would cost to house them anywhere else. And it doesn't cost anything to understand that changing our policy to solicit approval from the rest of the world has always and will continue to net its contempt.

Parados, Bush won on impeaching Clinton!