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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 08:09 pm
@JTT,
Isn't Itry really Icant?
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 10:57 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Genoves, you might also want to ask your doctor if he's willing to take Itry on. His paranoia is at least as bad as yours.

Speaking of paranoia, perhaps this needs investigating. Who is paranoid, and who is telling the truth? Obama thinks Walpin is confused and disoriented, but was he? Or is Obama paranoid of somebody investigating his friends?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/17/fired-ig-calls-white-house-explanation-baseless-says-hes-targeted/

"Gerald Walpin, who until last week was the inspector general for the Corporation for National and Community Service, tells FOXNews.com that part of President Obama's explanation for firing him was a "total lie" and that he feels he's got a target on his back for political reasons.

The government watchdog President Obama canned for allegedly being "confused" and "disoriented" fired back sharply Wednesday, saying the White House explanation for removing him was "insufficient," "baseless" and "absolutely wild."

Gerald Walpin, who until last week was the inspector general for the Corporation for National and Community Service, told FOXNews.com that part of Obama's explanation was a "total lie" and that he feels he's got a target on his back for political reasons.

"I am now the target of the most powerful man in this country, with an army of aides whose major responsibility today seems to be to attack me and get rid of me," Walpin said. "

genoves
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:00 pm
1 Reply report Wed 17 Jun, 2009 05:54 pm

- Joe, the Ambulance chaser from Chicago wrote:

I wouldn't cite David Frum as a reliable source for anything, let alone American constitutional law.

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David Frum is at least ten times smarter than Joe, the Ambulance Chaser. Those of you who read these posts do not know that Joe is a fourth class ward heeler who is so down on his luck that he follows Chicago Aldermen down the street hoping they will throw away their cigar stubs.

The problem with assholes like Joe is that they do not know who their betters are.

Joe, the Ambulance Chaser, could never get close to Frum in any area of endeavor.

Note Frum's Biography--

Born to a Jewish family in Toronto, Ontario, Canada on 30 June 1960, Frum is the son of the late Barbara Frum, a well-known veteran journalist. His father, Murray Frum, was a dentist who later became a multi-millionaire as a real estate developer. David Frum's sister, Linda Frum is a journalist. David Frum is married to writer Danielle Crittenden, the stepdaughter of former Toronto Sun editor Peter Worthington.

At age 14 he was a campaign volunteer for a New Democratic Party candidate, taking an hour-long bus/subway/bus ride each way to and from the campaign office in western Toronto. He would read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, a paperback edition his mother had given him. "My campaign colleagues jeered at the book " and by the end of the campaign, any lingering interest I might have had in the political left had vanished like yesterday’s smoke."[3]

He graduated from the University of Toronto Schools in 1978 where he was the School Captain. He then attended Yale University in 1982 where he earned a Bachelor of Arts and Master of Arts. While at Yale he was in the Directed Studies program, a type of "Great Books" course.[4] He went on to Harvard Law School, and received his Juris Doctor (J.D.) in 1987. Frum has described one of his study methods while at law school:

When I was in law school, I devised my own idiosyncratic solution to the problem of studying a topic I knew nothing about. I'd wander into the library stacks, head to the relevant section, and pluck a book at random. I'd flip to the footnotes, and write down the books that seemed to occur most often. Then I'd pull them off the shelves, read their footnotes, and look at those books. It usually took only 2 or 3 rounds of this exercise before I had a pretty fair idea of who were the leading authorities in the field. After reading 3 or 4 of those books, I usually had at least enough orientation in the subject to understand what the main questions at issue were " and to seek my own answers, always provisional, always subject to new understanding, always requiring new reading and new thinking.[4]
He served as an editor on the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal from 1989 until 1992, and then as a columnist for Forbes magazine in 1992-94. From 1994 through 2000 he was a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Public Policy Research.

Following the election of George W. Bush in 2000, Frum was appointed to a position within the White House. Still a Canadian citizen, he was one of the few foreign nationals working within the Bush White House. He served as Special Assistant to the U.S. President for Economic Speechwriting from January 2001 to February 2002. He filed for naturalization and took the oath for citizenship on September 11, 2007 [5].

Frum strongly supported John Roberts, George W. Bush's nominee for Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. However, like many conservatives, he opposed the nomination of Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court, on the grounds that she was insufficiently qualified for the post, as well as insufficiently conservative.

David Frum is now a resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think-tank, as well as the Fraser Institute, a Canadian based think tank that advocates free market policies. On October 11, 2007, Frum announced on his blog that he was joining Rudolph Giuliani's presidential campaign as a senior foreign policy adviser.[6] [7]

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Let's compare
Frum-Yale Master of Arts Joe the Ambulance Chaser-
Malcome X college--Toilet
cleaning curriculum

Frum- Yale Law School Joe the Ambulance Chaser-
flunked out of Marshall Law
School- a fourth rate Law school

Frum-Worked for the Wall Street
Joe the Ambulance Chaser-
a gofer for the Strogers.

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Joe does a lot of huffing and puffing on these threads but he is really an ignorant boob. Anyone who reads what he wrote knows that he is a fake.


Here's what Joe the Ambulance Chaser wrote when asked by an innocent and well meaning poster about what a prospective law student should read--

When I was in the middle of my first year in law school, I saw a list of "books that every future law student should read" (granted, I should have looked for those kinds of lists before I went to law school, but that bridge has already been crossed). As I recall, the list included the two standards: IL by Scott Turow and The Bramble Bush by Karl Llewellyn. I didn't read either of those before I went to law school and I still haven't read either of them, so I can't offer any comments (I did, however, meet Scott Turow once -- nice guy).

Another book on the list was The Common Law by Oliver Wendell Holmes. I read this book many years after graduation, and I think I would have been thoroughly confused if I had read it before entering law school. Either that or I would have switched to accounting.

On the whole, I don't read books about lawyering (too much like a busman's holiday for me), and the law books that I read are more focused on technical or philosophical issues. In short, I really don't know of any good books for aspiring lawyers. Anyone have any better advice?

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Got that? The asshole does not read--did not read-will not read!

I can list ten books for aspiring lawyers and I don't claim to be a lawyer--Only that, viewing Joe the Ambulance Chaser's flatulent offerings on these threads, I know more about law than he does.

Joe from Chicago gave this advice to some poor soul.

On the other hand, if you practice IP law for a few years and then decide to switch, you'd probably have to reorient yourself. Depending on what you were doing in IP and what you'd be doing in corporate, the transition might be difficult or it might be easy. It's impossible to say.

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Joe the Ambulance Chaser obviously knows NOTHING about real law firms and how they operate. NO TOP FLIGHT LAW FIRM WOULD AGREE TO HAVE ONE OF THEIR ASSOCIATES SWITCH FROM IP TO CORPORATE SINCE THEY WERE TRAINED IN IP.

My God, is Joe the Ambulance Chaser, stupid, or what?


-1 Reply report Wed 17 Jun, 2009 01:02 am Joe the Ambulance Chaser doesn't know **** about Constitutional Law. His comment below shows he never read Bakke.

parados wrote:


Quote:
David Frum believes that the Bakke Supreme Court case created an incentive for universities to create quotas, but pretend that they are not quotas.[2]

As the discussion page states, it is written with an obvious point of view. It needs some serious revisions since it clearly ignores the law as written and enforced.
I wouldn't cite David Frum as a reliable source for anything, let alone American constitutional law.

end of quote.

Here is what Justice Powell said:

In summary, it is evident that the Davis special admissions program involves the use of an EXPLICIT RACTIAL CLASSIFICATION never before countenanced by this Court. It tells applicants who are not Negro, Asian or Chicano that they are totally excluded from a specific percentage of the seats in an entering class. No matter how strong their qualifications, quantative and extracurricular, including their own potential for contribution to educational diversity, they are never afforded the chance to compete with applicants from the preferred groups for the special admission seats. At the same time, the preferred applicants have the opportunity to compete for every seat in the class.

SO, THE COURT OUTLAWED RACIAL QUOTAS.

But in 2003, the court again took up the issue of Affirmative Action in Grutter vs. Bollinger.

The most ignorant Joe the Ambulance Chaser denigrates Mr. Frum BUT DOES NOT EXPLAIN WHY FRUM IS WRONG IN HIS STATEMENT THAT THE BAKKE CASE CREATED AN INCENTIVE FOR UNIVERSITIES TO CREATE QUOTAS BUT PRETEND THEY ARE NOT QUOTAS.


The Michigan Law School Dean certainly set up quotas which were not really quotas AS FRUM said.

If Joe the Ambulance Chaser had ever read_Grutter vs, Bollinger, he would have noted that the Admissions Dean "testified that he did not direct his staff to admit a particular percentage of number of minority students but RATHER TO CONSIDER AN APPLICANT'S R A C E ALONG WITH ALL OTHER FACTORS."

He also testified that "at the height of the admissions season, he would frequently consult the so-called "daily reports" that kept track of the racial and ethnic composition of the class". He said he sought "to ensure that a critical mass of UNREPRESENTED MINORITY STUDENTS WOULD BE REACHED SO AS TO REALIZE THE EDUCATION BENEFITS OF A DIVERSE STUDENT BODY."

Anyone who reads Bakke and Grutter knows that Frum was correct in his statement. It is only ignorant morons like Joe the Ambulance Chaser who spew throw away lines that mean nothing.
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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:08 pm
JTT- Your diagnosis is completely erroneous-

If you are aware of the definition of paranoia

2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others.

You would, if you had the qualifications, have to determine whether the suspiciouness and distrustfulness of others was "excessive or irrational".

That would mean, of course, the analysis of what has been written to determine whether it is excessive or irrational.

You, JTT, are probably not aware that Joe the Ambulance Chaser, without cause, made insulting remarks to me and posted pictures making fun of me.

My reaction is proportionate to those insults. And I will continue reacting. Even if I can only convince ONE poster on these threads that Joe the Ambulance Chaser is indeed a fraud, I will take that as sufficient retaliation for his insults.

Why don't you do some research on the matter before you go off half cocked?
Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:40 pm
NSA analyst ‘improperly accessed’ Bill Clinton’s e-mail through domestic surveillance program.

Quote:
The New York Times reports today that members of Congress are increasingly concerned about the extent of the NSA’s domestic surveillance program, particularly the overcollection of the private telephone calls and e-mail messages of Americans. An anonymous former intelligence analyst tells reporters James Risen and Eric Lichtblau that during much of the Bush years, the NSA “tolerated significant collection and examination of domestic e-mail messages without warrants.” Reportedly, one of the accessed domestic e-mail accounts belonged to former President Bill Clinton:

He said he and other analysts were trained to use a secret database, code-named Pinwale, in 2005 that archived foreign and domestic e-mail messages. He said Pinwale allowed N.S.A. analysts to read large volumes of e-mail messages to and from Americans as long as they fell within certain limits " no more than 30 percent of any database search, he recalled being told " and Americans were not explicitly singled out in the searches.

The former analyst added that his instructors had warned against committing any abuses, telling his class that another analyst had been investigated because he had improperly accessed the personal e-mail of former President Bill Clinton.


Tip of the iceberg. I heard that former analysts also had to be warned against reading their wives' and girlfriends' emails....
genoves
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:52 pm
@Debra Law,
I think this is shameful. Where is the outrage? There must be an immediate top level investigation by the Congress of the United States. This must also be adjudicated as soon as possible. How dare they access the personal mail of former President Clinton? I realize that most of the mail sent out by Bill Clinton is probably salacious and intended for purposes of seduction but PRIVACY is one of the Constitution's basic tenets.

As Justice Blackmun, one of the country's most brilliant Supreme Court Justices wrote about Roe vs. Wade---

"The Court has recognized that a right of personal privacy...does exist under the Constitution. In varying contexts, the Court of individual justices have found the roots of that right...in the PENUMBRAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS"

The NSA obviously knows nothing about the PENUMBRAS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS.

SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2009 11:53 pm
ICAN wrote:

Obama continues to violate the Constitution, "the supreme law of the land." With each such violation he is contributing to the degeneration of the American rule of law.

Obama must be stopped as soon as practical.

Organizing an effort to impeach Obama is a necessary first step.

Creating an organized albeit small group of Republicans and Democrats to campaign for Obama's impeacment is essentuial.

Failure to impeach Obama will lead people opposed to Obama to likewise abandon the rule of law and unlawfully remove Obama from office.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 05:16 am
@okie,
okie wrote:
Speaking of paranoia, perhaps this needs investigating. Who is paranoid, and who is telling the truth? Obama thinks Walpin is confused and disoriented, but was he? Or is Obama paranoid of somebody investigating his friends?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/17/fired-ig-calls-white-house-explanation-baseless-says-hes-targeted/


There is an update on this story:

Quote:
McCaskill satisfied with Walpin firing
Senator reverses stance after White House makes its case.

(Malia Rulon, Springfield News-Leader, June 18, 2009)

Washington -- After initially criticizing President Obama for firing the AmeriCorps program's internal watchdog, Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill said Wednesday the firing "appears well- founded."

Gerald Walpin, inspector general for the federal program, was dismissed by the White House after he investigated Sacramento, Calif., Mayor Kevin Johnson, an Obama supporter.

In September 2008, Walpin's office found misuse of federal grants by Johnson and the St. HOPE Academy, a nonprofit education program he founded. Johnson and St. HOPE ultimately agreed to repay half of $847,000 in grants they received from AmeriCorps between 2004 and 2007.

McCaskill, a Democrat who supported Obama during his presidential campaign, said in a statement Tuesday the president "failed to follow the proper procedure" for removing Walpin because he did not give 30 days' notice or provide a cause for termination, two requirements set forth in a law she authored.

"Loss of confidence is not a sufficient reason," McCaskill said Tuesday, asking that the White House provide "a more substantive rationale, in writing, as quickly as possible."

AmeriCorps is a network of three programs that offer opportunities to volunteer to aid education, the environment, public safety, homeland security and other areas. In return for their service, volunteers receive an AmeriCorps Education Award they can use to pay for college or repay student loans.

In a letter sent late Tuesday to the chairman and top Republican on the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, White House special counsel Norman Eisen said Walpin was removed after he appeared "confused, disoriented (and) unable to answer questions" at a May 20 meeting.

Upon further review, the White House found Walpin had insisted on working from home over the objections of AmeriCorps' board, "exhibited a lack of candor in providing material information " and "engaged in other troubling and inappropriate conduct," the letter said.

McCaskill said Wednesday these additional details "now puts the White House in full compliance with the notice requirement in the law."

"The next step for Congress is to use the 30 days provided by the notice to seek further information and undertake any further review that might be necessary," she said.

McCaskill added: "The reasons given in the most recent White House letter are substantial and the decision to remove Walpin appears well- founded."
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 07:41 am
@wandeljw,
Oh wow. I think it isn't really remarkable that one of the more liberal Democratic Senators who served as one of President Obama's national co-chairs during the campaign would now find that the President did okay firing Walpin in the way he did. I mean it's okay to have the debate. But really, we do need a bit more insight than the opinion of somebody who has never opposed the President on anything and now reverses her criticism and accepts the President's 'additional details' of the action' without question don't you think?

Walpin continues to strenuously deny that he is guilty of what the White House accuses him.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 07:45 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Walpin continues to strenuously deny that he is guilty of what the White House accuses him.


Oh well, there's proof positive. Surely he'd have no motive to lie, would he?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 07:50 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre,

In the news story, McCaskill was also quoted as saying: "The next step for Congress is to use the 30 days provided by the notice to seek further information and undertake any further review that might be necessary."

Congress has a chance to review the additional details provided by the White House.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 07:58 am
Sampling from the week's political cartoons:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM090610CLR-Sleep_De20090610020538.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sk0617d20090617055336.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/ca0617dd20090617055001.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sst061709dAPR20090618033238.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr061609dAPR20090617015441.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0619cd20090617082726.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/6-9-09hartonRGB20090609062229.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/090618beelertoon_c20090617112946.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn090615_07_cmyk20090616073512.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb090619_cmyk20090617103007.jpg
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:09 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:
In a letter sent late Tuesday to the chairman and top Republican on the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, White House special counsel Norman Eisen said Walpin was removed after he appeared "confused, disoriented (and) unable to answer questions" at a May 20 meeting.

On the bright side, Walpin sounds like he has a promising future as head of the Republican Party.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:12 am
What Fox meant to say, of course, is that she is providing a sampling of this week's right-wing, anti-Obama cartoons.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:16 am
@Foxfyre,
Clearly there are some who are as delusional as you, Fox.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:25 am
@genoves,
Looking at that confused diatribe immediately before this particular posting of yours, I'd say that you're too far gone to be self-diagnosing.

Quote:
My reaction is proportionate to those insults.


Unnnhuuuuh. [Tongue way in cheek]
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 08:30 am
@Setanta,
Maybe she didn't understand the jokes of the liberal cartoonists?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:17 am
@Thomas,
If the 'she' is me, I would remind you that the title of the thread is "American Conservatism in 2008 and beyond". The cartoons I select for the weekly sampling are the conservative perspective which I consider appropriate for this thread. I choose those that I think are pertinent with a bit of humor applied to the issues being debated at this time without being mean.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:29 am
Maybe this will help:

Quote:
Understanding the Age of Obama
By Victor Davis Hanson

Are you confused by all that has changed since President Barack Obama took office in January? If so, you're not alone. Perhaps, though, this handy guide to Age of Obama "logic" might be of some assistance.

1. The Budget. Wanting to cut $17 billion from the budget, as President Obama has promised, is proof of financial responsibility. Borrowing $1.84 trillion this year for new programs is "stimulus." The old phrase "out-of-control spending" is inoperative.

2. Unemployment. The number of jobs theoretically saved, or created, by new government policies - not the actual percentage of Americans out of work, or the total number of jobs lost - is now the far better indicator of unemployment.

3. The Private Sector. Nationalizing much of the auto and financial industries, while regulating executive compensation, is an indication of our new government's repeatedly stated reluctance to interfere in the private sector.

4. Race and Gender. Not what is said but who says it and about whom reveals racism and sexism. For example, an Hispanic female judge isn't being offensive if she states that Latinas are inherently better judges than white males.

5. Random violence. Some assassinations represent larger American pathologies, but others do not. When a crazed lone gunman murders someone outside the Holocaust Museum or shoots an abortion doctor, we should worry about growing right-wing and Christian extremism. But when an African-American Muslim convert brags about his murder of a military recruitment officer or an Islamic group plots to kill Jews and blow up a military jet, these are largely isolated incidents without larger relevance.

6. Terrorism. Acts of terror disappeared about six months ago. Thankfully, we live now in an age where there will be - in the new vocabulary of the Obama administration - only occasional "overseas contingency operations" in which we may be forced to hold a few "detainees." At the same time, ongoing military tribunals, renditions, wiretaps, phone intercepts and predator-drone assassinations are no longer threats to the Constitution. And just saying you're going to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay is proof that it is almost closed.

7. Iraq. The once-despised Iraq war thankfully ended around Jan. 20, 2009, and has now transformed into a noble experiment that is fanning winds of change throughout the Middle East. There will be no need for any more Hollywood cinema exposés of American wartime crimes in Iraq with titles like "Rendition," "Redacted," "Lions for Lambs" and "Stop-Loss."

8. The West. Western values and history aren't apparently that special or unique. As President Obama told the world during his recent speech in Cairo, the Renaissance and Enlightenment were, in fact, fueled by a brilliant Islamic culture, responsible for landmark discoveries in mathematics, science and medicine. Slavery in America ended without violence. Mistreatment of women and religious intolerance in the Middle East have comparable parallels in America.

9. Media. The media are disinterested and professional observers of the present administration. When television anchormen and senior magazine editors bow to the president, proclaim him a god or feel tingling in the legs when he speaks, it is quite normal.

10. George W. Bush. Former President Bush did all sorts of bad things to the United States that only now we are learning will take at least eight years to sort out. "Bush did it" for the next decade will continue to explain the growing unemployment rate, the most recent deficit, the new round of tensions with Iran and North Korea, and the growing global unrest from the Middle East to South America.

Once we remember and accept the logic of the above, then almost everything about this Age of Obama begins to make perfect sense.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 09:32 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
without being mean.


Awwww, poor little Foxy. You know what mean is. That's where people are detained for, what is it, 7 years now with not a conviction.

mean is murdering thousands of innocent Iraqis because of a delusional paranoid government/citizenry.

mean is causing the deaths of half a million Iraqi children because of an immoral embargo.

mean is whining about countries getting nuclear arms but aiding Israel to do so.

mean is spreading toxins [WMDs] all over a country and then not having the decency to rectify your wrongs.

The list is endless. Stop your pathetic whining and attempt a little moral courage.
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