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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 10:40 am
@Diest TKO,
I'd never have considered Waterboy to be that coherent a writer. While it is true that "Yankee" dodges any real substance in it's posts, and can't seem to frame a logical argument, the content is nonetheless mostly coherent--and that is not a reliable attribute of the Waterboy.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 10:51 am


I have never considered Setantass to be over the age of 14.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 10:52 am
Maybe he's trying to convince us that he is "Yankee."
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 10:52 am
@Setanta,
I don't find this new Yankee to that coherent. I find it interesting that waterboy likes to follow him around and play cheerleader. I think they share a certain brand of attack. In yankee's case, he likes to assume he is older and more experienced than ... well everyone here. Likes to use the phrase "young man" (or lady/woman) to bait other posters. It just feels similar to waterboy's "liberaltard" rhetoric designed (assumingly) to bait.

This could be a new virus though.
K
O
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Yankee
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 10:59 am
@Diest TKO,
Quote:
I'm kind of sad. I was excited to see someone new around here, but it doesn't look like it's going to be anything but a troll. This dude is a just another waterboy/cjhsa/possum.


Ahhh, sorry to hurt your feelings young man. Unfortunate for you and your "friends", you can't expect everyone to think like you or agree with everything you say or want. You have a hard time accepting that and it causes you to lose control of your emotions and start with personal attacks.

One day, you may be able to overcome this problem. Yet, today does not seem like the day.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 11:00 am
@Yankee,
Yankee wrote:

Quote:
I'm kind of sad. I was excited to see someone new around here, but it doesn't look like it's going to be anything but a troll. This dude is a just another waterboy/cjhsa/possum.


Ahhh, sorry to hurt your feelings young man. Unfortunate for you and your "friends", you can't expect everyone to think like you or agree with everything you say or want. You have a hard time accepting that and it causes you to lose control of your emotions and start with personal attacks.

One day, you may be able to overcome this problem. Yet, today does not seem like the day.


I for one merely expect people to understand logic and argumentation.

I'm also happy that you've dropped your 'I'm neutral' pretense, it was tiresome.

Cycloptichorn
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 11:11 am
@Yankee,
I don't expect you to think like me, but I do expect you to think.

Right now, you're just looking to fight, not debate. Grow up.

T
K
O
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 11:26 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

I don't expect you to think like me, but I do expect you to think.

Right now, you're just looking to fight, not debate. Grow up.

T
K
O


I always get this mental image, when I read some of the longer things that our resident trolls write, of them at their keyboards -

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h272/super_librarian/1166424697869.gif

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 12:15 pm
Barack Obama and his supporters are criminals.

Barak Obama and his supporters are criminals violating the 5th Amendment by taking some private property for private purposes.

Barack Obama and his supporters are criminals violating the 5th Amendmendby by taking some private property for public purposes without providing just compensation.
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 01:53 pm
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Republicans step up the anti-Obama-speak
(By Aaron Blake, TheHill.com, June 15, 2009)

Republicans in Washington are offering up some of the strongest language yet in their efforts to distinguish themselves from the 5-month-old Obama administration’s economic policies.

In recent weeks, GOP leaders and rank-and-file members have offered stinging rebukes of the Democratic control in Washington in terms that Democrats say have gone over the line.

Last week, House Minority Whip Eric Cantor said Obama’s handling of the faltering U.S. auto industry is “almost like looking at Putin's Russia.”

That came as Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) was drawing heat from Democrats for saying that he told Chinese leaders that “the budget numbers that the U.S. has put forward should not be believed” and that Congress would spend more than what is contained in the budget.

Just days before, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said at a fundraising dinner for House and Senate Republicans that Obama’s efforts to stimulate the economy and save automakers have “already failed.”

Democrats contend that Republicans have jumped the shark and staked out such an extreme position against the administration that they should no longer be taken seriously.

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) Chairman Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said after Cantor’s comments this week that the approach is alienating even members of the Republican Party.

A USA Today/Gallup poll last week showed 38 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents viewed the GOP unfavorably.

“When Republicans have no ideas and no leadership, they resort to personal attacks and bank on failure,” Van Hollen said. “It’s no wonder that recent polling shows that one-third of Republicans hold an unfavorable view of their own party.”

For their part, Republicans are mostly unapologetic. The rhetoric is part of a continued effort to portray the Obama administration as something of an inept “Big Brother,” unable to deal appropriately with the challenges created by the economy and, all the while, expanding government.

Ken Spain, a spokesman with the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), said Democrats should focus on what they are doing, rather than what the opposition is saying.

“It would be nice if Democrats could spend some time creating jobs instead of growing the size of the federal bureaucracy and pointing fingers,” Spain said.

But not every example of the GOP’s strong rhetoric has been focused on the economy.

Democrats point to comments made by Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.) in recent months which said Obama was well on his way to becoming the “abortion president.”

And then there are the usual suspects " Gingrich, former Vice President Dick Cheney, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and, increasingly, NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas).

Gingrich has also caused a stir in recent weeks by labeling Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor a “racist,” because she said that experiencing life as a Hispanic woman might make her a better judge than a white man. Gingrich later backed off that assertion.

Bachmann’s well-publicized statements have led to the creation of a section on the DCCC’s website devoted solely to her.

And Sessions has drawn some heat for saying to the New York Times last month that the Obama administration deliberately sought to “diminish employment and diminish stock prices” in order to “divide and conquer” in Washington. Prior to that, Sessions suggested Republicans could take lessons about “insurgency” from the Taliban.

The first midterm election under a new president is almost always a referendum on how that president is performing. Election experts agree that, for the Republicans to make serious gains in the 2010 elections, Obama’s popularity needs to come down.

Democrats have labeled Republicans the “party of no” and said they are rooting for Obama to fail, as conservative talker Rush Limbaugh has openly advocated.

But Republicans say it’s not about rooting for failure, but rather keeping Democrats honest in their efforts to expand government.

“At some point Democrats are going to have to come to grips with the fact that they won the 2008 election and start governing,” Spain said.

Van Hollen said it’s time for Republicans to stop lobbing bombs and become a part of the process.

“Republicans should stop the name-calling, roll up their sleeves, and start working with the president and congressional Democrats to turn the economy around,” he said.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:25 pm
“Conservatives” Are Single-Largest Ideological Group

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gcvrk6v1yky1kpfyiqjhvw.gif

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/hkh0rqeqgkyisw-fcnba5q.gif

lots of words at link above.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:28 pm
It appears that "moderates" are the largest group there. How do these numbers explain the outcome of the election, if at all?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:57 pm
@Setanta,

The numbers...

It may be that post election liberals are now ashamed to admit they are liberals because
Obama and the left wing extremists that support him are not reflecting their core values.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:58 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Republicans step up the anti-Obama-speak


It's about time!!!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:00 pm
@H2O MAN,
From what thread is that quote by wandel exactly, H2O?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:01 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

It appears that "moderates" are the largest group there. How do these numbers explain the outcome of the election, if at all?


Obviously the failure of the Republican party.

Poor message, poor performance in the previous 8 years, nominating a gimmick as VP.

Republicans have no one to blame but themselves and I sure hope they have learned their lessons before Obama completes his mission.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:08 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

From what thread is that quote by wandel exactly, H2O?


It's the title of an article he posted.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:08 pm
EDIT: This is a response to McG . . .

I wouldn't argue with any of that. From the numbers for 2009 (covering the period January to May, and different from the graph at the beginning, which appears to end about mid-2008), the moderates are the largest group. Now, either nearly all the moderates voted for Mr. Obama, along with all those identifying themselves as "liberal" and "very liberal;" or, some of those identifying themselves as "conservative" either voted for Mr. Obama, or stayed home on election day.

It is also worth noting the fluctuations in the graph at the beginning. People who are self-identifying could well be responding to their perceptions of the current political "winds" when they respond. I'd not put a lot of faith in such poll results, other than to note that i suspect that for most if not all of our history, the greatest number of voters would have fit into the "moderate" category.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:10 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It's from this thread, Walter, a few posts before yours--click here.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 03:12 pm


I am seeing a growing number of so-called liberals that are now ashamed to admit they are liberals because
of Obama's performance and the left wing extremists that support him are not reflecting their core values.

Just wait until Obama raises taxes on the middle class... the **** will be liberally applied to the fan when that happens.
 

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