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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 10:40 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
You and I are both arguing a particular point of view here. We are both members of A2K. We have probably both attended public schools and we probably both love our country and perhaps some food preferences or factors in our upbringings. Are we alike? The same?

Yes, we are alike in those respects. Why is that so hard to understand? Nobody is saying that okie compared Obama to Hitler in all respects, just in certain respects.

Foxfyre wrote:
Is pointing out those things that we share somehow an attempt to link us together or, for that matter, an attempt denigrate you or me?

Well, you should be flattered.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 10:46 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
You and I are both arguing a particular point of view here. We are both members of A2K. We have probably both attended public schools and we probably both love our country and perhaps some food preferences or factors in our upbringings. Are we alike? The same?

Yes, we are alike in those respects. Why is that so hard to understand? Nobody is saying that okie compared Obama to Hitler in all respects, just in certain respects.


Okay, I can accept that interpretation in those words so long as it is not then extrapolated into 'intent' or 'character' in ways that are not intended. If it is not wrong to compare similarities in your and my backgrounds and preferences and methodology, then it is not wrong to compare similarities in Hitler and Obama's backgrounds and preferences and methodology.

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Foxfyre wrote:
Is pointing out those things that we share somehow an attempt to link us together or, for that matter, an attempt denigrate you or me?

Well, you should be flattered.


Laughing Touche'
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 10:52 am
For 8 years the right got to hear how much Bush was like Hitler. Now you guys have 4 years to hear how much Obama is like Hitler.

Get your panties out of your crack, deal with it and move on.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 10:54 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
You and I are both arguing a particular point of view here. We are both members of A2K. We have probably both attended public schools and we probably both love our country and perhaps some food preferences or factors in our upbringings. Are we alike? The same? Is pointing out those things that we share somehow an attempt to link us together or, for that matter, an attempt denigrate you or me?

But neither of you have that strong of a brand. If I was to choose to compare you to some other public school raise, country loving person like a member of the KKK, you'd immediately understand that my choice is not arbitrary. For that matter it is specifically engineered to associate you to the KKK member.

This is what okie is doing. He is attempting to build an association between Obama and Hitler. It's as simple as that.

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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 10:59 am
@McGentrix,
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For 8 years the right got to hear how much Bush was like Hitler.


You mean like how he broke both American and international law, how he invaded two sovereign nations and was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, how he instigated torture programs, how he swept up and imprisoned large numbers of innocent people, ... .

You mean like this, right McGoofy?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:04 am
@McGentrix,
No. The Bush administration earned that reputation with real actions that had real consequences. Emphasis on real. It wasn't 8 years, more like 5.5 years. Early in his term, I don't recall any sort of comparison being drawn on what he MIGHT do. It was only after did made very specific choices that he earned the comparison. I don't agree with the comparison, but I understand it. I don't understand how Obama has earned the comparison.

Think action.
Think real.

How is a comparison even valid?

Hell, if we are to think that a comparison between Hitler and Obama is level minded thinking then why not Obama and Jesus? Maybe Obama has the qualities of both? Hell, if we are going to use this method of analysis, I'm sure we can find similarities between Jesus and Hitler.

They were both charismatic.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:06 am
you're a very bad boy, TKO . . .

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe . . .
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:10 am
@Setanta,
Didn't want to take it there, but I'm getting bored with this convo.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:11 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

No. The Bush administration earned that reputation with real actions that had real consequences. Emphasis on real. It wasn't 8 years, more like 5.5 years. Early in his term, I don't recall any sort of comparison being drawn on what he MIGHT do. It was only after did made very specific choices that he earned the comparison. I don't agree with the comparison, but I understand it. I don't understand how Obama has earned the comparison.

Think action.
Think real.

How is a comparison even valid?

Hell, if we are to think that a comparison between Hitler and Obama is level minded thinking then why not Obama and Jesus? Maybe Obama has the qualities of both? Hell, if we are going to use this method of analysis, I'm sure we can find similarities between Jesus and Hitler.

They were both charismatic.
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I believe the Obama-Jesus connection was attempted during the campaign by your side already.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:14 am
@Diest TKO,
Yeah, no kiddin' . . . especially the Fox show, which basically consists of making invidious remarks about those with whom she disagrees, consistently denying what is patently obvious (such as Okie's remarks about Mr. Obama), and then whining about people making personal remarks.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:16 am
@McGentrix,
Actually, the messiah meme was apart of the GOP strategy to brand Obama.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:24 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Yeah, no kiddin' . . . especially the Fox show, which basically consists of making invidious remarks about those with whom she disagrees, consistently denying what is patently obvious (such as Okie's remarks about Mr. Obama), and then whining about people making personal remarks.


Is it the "whining" part that bothers you, or do you think she just makes up the fact that people make personal remarks?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:25 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest wrote:
Quote:
Hell, if we are going to use this method of analysis, I'm sure we can find similarities between Jesus and Hitler.


Let's start with the world flood; he killed all men, women and children except those on the ark.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:25 am
@McGentrix,
You're not very quick on the up-take, are ya, McWhitey? It's the hypocrisy involved in her constant remarks about "people on the left," what i referred to as the invidious remarks--it is that, followed by the poor, poor pitiful me routine which makes me retch.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:26 am
@McGentrix,
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I believe the Obama-Jesus connection was attempted during the campaign by your side already.


Damn, how you can get so much into so few words, McG. Addressed every issue raised by TKO and demolished him and his so-called argument.

You have such a way with words; you'd be killer doing speaking tours.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:26 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

For 8 years the right got to hear how much Bush was like Hitler. Now you guys have 4 years to hear how much Obama is like Hitler.

Get your panties out of your crack, deal with it and move on.


They won't move on. Some are confirming my opinion of some liberals and continue to make me the target and would you believe they think that is valid debate even while they continue to do exactly what Okie is doing re Obama and Hitler while denouncing Okie for doing that.

But to further my own thesis, this letter has been circulating on the Internet and in political e-mails for awhile now. How many of the points Pritchett makes do you think Obama supporters would say that 'well, neither did your guy' or 'so did your guy' or 'no more than your guy wanted to do' or whatever'? I wouldn't see that as saying that this makes 'our guy' just like 'your guy' in intent and purpose, nor would they, but they continue to accuse Okie of doing just that.

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AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA
By Lou Pritchett

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett


Note: Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.

Mr. Pritchett CONFIRMED THE AUTHENTICITY of the much-circulated "open letter." “I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it. However, it hit the internet and according to the ‘experts’ has had over 500,000 hits.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:29 am
@McGentrix,
Here ya go, McWhitey, from her latest post . . .

The long-suffering Fox wrote:
They won't move on. Some are confirming my opinion of some liberals and continue to make me the target and would you believe they think that is valid debate even while they continue to do exactly what Okie is doing re Obama and Hitler while denouncing Okie for doing that.


She can't get through the first paragraph without an invidious comment and the martyr routine.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:29 am
@McGentrix,
Honestly McG, she does get personal remarks. Yep. It might be unnecessary in these debates, but its' there. The problem here is that (1) she is in no place to be posing as a victim cause she does the same thing to others, and (2) she uses it as an excuse to not answer relevant questions/points.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:30 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:
and (2) she uses it as an excuse to not answer relevant questions/points.


That bore repeating.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:32 am
@Foxfyre,
Your writer forgot to add,

"You scare me, because you are a black man with a muslim name."

Fits in with the rest of the Conservative clap-trap in his letter for sure. What a moron.

Cycloptichorn
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