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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:33 am
@Setanta,
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Yeah, no kiddin' . . . especially the Fox show, which basically consists of making invidious remarks about those with whom she disagrees,


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Setanta wrote:
That E_Brown . . . he's such a rebel . . .

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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:38 am
@Foxfyre,

AN OPEN LETTER TO LOU PRICHETT


Dear Mr Prichett:

You scare me because you are as profoundly ignorant as, a much much too large number of your fellow American citizens.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:40 am
@Foxfyre,
Fox - Did you read this letter before posting it? Do you think this really offers any real intellectual merit?

Did you ever once stop to think that perhaps this Lou Pritchett might not know these things because he's uneducated on these matters?

Lou doesn't know anything about Obama? His fault.
Lou doesn't know how he paid for school? His fault. Read a book. There's two.
Lou doesn't know that he grew up in the USA? Idiot.

Lou doesn't know about him running a company or payroll, or that he doesn't have military experience, or etc etc etc. But after all the things Lou says she is scared about Obama, apparently he forgets the first thing, and that he doesn't know **** about Obama and the first things he said was that he doesn't know anything about him. Head up Lou, if you don't know anything about a person, you are the worst person to be critisizing them.

Fox - If you think this is of any intellectual merit. Speak up. Lou isn't here to defend his letter. You brought it here. You introduced it. So you get to be the one to answer how a person who openly says that they don't know anything about a person has any place in giving such poor critisism.

No Doubt Lou doesn't know anything, and it doesn't look like he tried that hard to learn either.

dumb.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:42 am
@Foxfyre,
Pritchett's "much circulated letter" is also being much spoofed. Here is one such spoof:

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Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me. I am an old man and everything is scary to me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you. Why haven’t you asked me for my advice. Bush and Raygun did. What’s up with you?

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support. How did a black kid without money get in there anyway? I’m gonna have someone write a letter to someone about that.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American. Are you a Socialistical Muslimist?

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll. Because the last guy ran a few companies. Well, ran them into the ground, but that is irrelevant. You’re not like us and we can’t figure out how to own you.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don’t understand it at its core. Again, look at the last guy. At least he went AWOL on cocaine binges after his wealthy connected family connections got him a cush deal in the NG. Ok, he completely fucked us up by going into Iraq, but he served his time, well most of his time.

You scare me because you lack humility and ‘class’, always blaming others. You never hear my side blaming Clinton or Carter, the two biggest commies the world has ever seen, for America’s problems do you? We never talk **** about FDR either so screw you, you’re not even a real American anyway. Darn Kenyan.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail. And I don’t count the times you actually did publicly denounce those radicals as times when you publicly denounce those radicals. That would ruin my talking point. Can’t do that, wouldn’t be prudent.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the ‘blame America’ crowd and deliver this message abroad. What’s with all this truth telling, Obama. They know what we did, it doesn’t help anything to admit it. In fact it’s way better to deny everything. Never got caught with another woman I imagine, huh. Well let me tell you, deny deny deny, that’s my motto.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector. I don’t really believe that, but the Great gop Head thought it would be a nice touch.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one. How the **** are the CEO’s gonna get millions upon millions and even billions of dollars in bonuses if we can’t deny them healthcare? Deny a $10,000.00 test, that’s $10,000.00 we get to keep in our pockets. Duh. You do know, don’t you Barack, that we are not in the healthcare business for our health, right?

You scare me because you prefer ‘windmills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves. What are we Dutch? Oh yeah, many of us actually are. I think that New York name might have come from there, but I digress. We have enough oil and coal to supply us with 6% more of our needs and we’d make a **** load of money doing it by selling on the world market and that windmill idea will only make jobs making windmills because the wind is free. How are we supposed to make money off that?

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world. Just look at what the goose has laid in the last few years. Why would you want to change that?

You scare me because you have begun to use ‘extortion’ tactics against certain banks and corporations. You naive man, banks and corporations run America, not the government. Get real dude.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals. And my party is just shrinking. Damn, I wish I were you.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people. Like just how many republicans have you appointed to be part of your administration, huh?

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient. Ya gotta give me that one. I’m running out of projections to hurl. Come on now.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do. They are only supposed to give free passes on phony yellow cake and WMD lies. It’s like you are getting a honeymoon or something. Like you have only been in office for a few months and don’t have a presidential record to evaluate yet.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O’Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view. They all get multimillion dollar pay checks. If they get silenced they still need to get paid. Personally, I’d love to see that O’Reilly get his, that falafel pervert bugs the **** out of me. But ya gotta love the new guy Beck. So sane, so thoughtful in his delivery. Such great fact checking. Just the facts, no over the top whiny emotionalism like you see on Lou Dobbs. And how can you go off on a guy who is deaf because he was so addicted to drugs that he doctor shopped using his maid as a mule? Have you no heart? He is our Great gop Head who commands apologies from those who trespass against him. I’d tread lightly around him. Lord know he can’t. And Hannity, whatever.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing. Next thing ya know you’ll be giving parking ticket to people in San Diego. How is it that you believe the president can just say stuff and it has to be done. Who do you think you are, a bush?

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years. My wife thought a nice Nazi flourish at the end would really zing it home, whadda ya think? Too much?

Anyway, call me. Let’s have lunch.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:45 am
@wandeljw,
You realize this is exactly the ind of thing that Fox loves right? It's yet another things that allows her to address her arguments to the nameless "liberals," and convieniantly act so offended.

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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:47 am
@wandeljw,
So goes AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:54 am
Well Wandel took the bait beautifully. Smile

I wonder what qualifications Lou Pritchett's critics here can offer to counter his credentials for 'knowing something'?

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Detailed Biography of Lou Pritchett
Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America’s true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher, and one of the world’s most highly rated speakers. He is acknowledged in numerous books and periodicals and by savvy successful corporate executives everywhere as the foremost leader in change management. It was Lou Pritchett who changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as “Partnering”.

Creating the Future
Lou Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history as an “Agent of Change” at P&G. He stood at the vanguard of corporate futurists to challenge a hidebound corporate giant to face the future by creating the future, thus ensuring its continuing role as one of America’s great corporate success stories.

A White Water Ride Into History
It was Lou Pritchett who, in 1987, boldly engineered an adventuresome partnership between two corporate titans. Lou Pritchett talked Sam Walton, the founder and Chairman of Wal-Mart, into getting into a canoe to ride the rapids of the South Fork of the Spring River in Arkansas. By the end of that white water ride, these two visionaries had agreed to change the way America did business. In 1989, Lou retired from his post at P&G to spread the Gospel of Change.

The Real Secret of Success
Over the last ten years, Lou Pritchett has become one of America’s most popular speakers on customer partnering, change management and the growing importance of the human factor in the tidal wave of 21st century technology. His presentations, always delivered with humor and enthusiasm, have inspired long-established Fortune 500 companies and upstart entrepreneurs alike. He has bought his message of corporate success to companies throughout the USA and around the world…big and small, old and new, to those making five million and those making 50 billion, to companies that have been around 100 days and those that have survived 100 years. Those companies and affiliated organizations all have learned from Lou Pritchett how to survive and succeed by leading change in an unforgiving world of global economic revolution.
http://www.allamericanspeakers.com/speakers/Lou-Pritchett/2926


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Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America's living legends--an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher, and highly rated speaker. He is recognized worldwide as the foremost leader in change management. As the individual who created the concept of "Partnering," he revolutionized the way America does business. His boundless emphasis on putting people first and other down-to-earth values helped Lou rise from traveling soap salesperson to Vice-President of World Sales at corporate giant Procter & Gamble. Over the course of 36 years, he became the "Agent of Change," making sure P&G's success would continue in the future. He even spent three years in Manila as President of the corporation's Philippines subsidiary. In 1987, Lou boldly engineered an adventuresome partnership between two corporate titans. He talked Sam Walton, founder and chairperson of Wal-Mart, into a canoe ride on the rapids of the Spring River in Arkansas. By the end of the ride, they agreed to change the way America did business. Pritchett believes that the absence of customer-supplier trust and integrated systems will be the leading cause of business failure and bankruptcy. In the new game, which will be played in the new century, companies that continue the traditional 'we sell & you buy' relationship will find costs soaring and difficulties gaining an audience with future decision makers. After his retirement in 1989, Sam Walton and a New York agent encouraged Lou to begin spreading the Gospel of Change. Since then, he has become one of America's most popular speakers on customer partnering, change management, the impact of information technology, and the importance of a strong work force. In addition, he authored the acclaimed book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat (Harper Collins, 1995). His presentations, always delivered with humor and enthusiasm, have inspired long-established Fortune 500 companies and upstart entrepreneurs alike. Ralston Purina, Anheuser-Busch, Whirlpool, and The Harvard Group are just a few of the many that have learned from Lou how to survive and succeed in this world of global economic revolution.
http://www.grabow.biz/Speakers/LouPritchett.htm
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:57 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

You realize this is exactly the ind of thing that Fox loves right? It's yet another things that allows her to address her arguments to the nameless "liberals," and convieniantly act so offended.


Foxfyre wrote:
Well Wandel took the bait beautifully.

Fox having me on ignore gets to miss out on this bit of irony.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:57 am
@Foxfyre,
He's a Big Businessman. So what? That doesn't mean he knows a damn thing about politics or reality even - just very good at his niche.

His lack of intellectual curiosity re: the President is quite evident from the fact that he refuses to do even the most basic research about him, yet feels free to criticize Obama based on his own failure. Not impressive.

Cycloptichorn
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:57 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

You're not very quick on the up-take, are ya, McWhitey? It's the hypocrisy involved in her constant remarks about "people on the left," what i referred to as the invidious remarks--it is that, followed by the poor, poor pitiful me routine which makes me retch.


Well, you are surely an expert in hypocrisy, so I will take your word for it. I mean who else would complain about someone else complaining about personal attacks while making a personal attack?

Setanta wrote:

Once again, Fox, the great whiner about personal attacks (as she claims they are) takes more sideswipes at those with whom she disagrees. We expect no less.


Yeah, you know a lot about hypocrisy alright.
Yankee
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:58 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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You are of course welcome to think whatever you like about me and my opinions.


Should I thank you for allowing me to actually have an opinion?

How ever many "millions" of listeners Rush may have, it is insignificant when measured against the voting public. For you or anyone to think he holds any influence to a majority is again, ignorant based upon the facts.

I do not buy into this argument regarding "American Conservatism" or "American Liberalism". To me, those are only labels each side pastes against themselves to shield their extreme point of view from the dim witted.

As an example, look at the recent defeat in California for tax increases. For years, California was labeled as a "liberal" State. Yet, I hear so called Conservative now using that defeat to champion their positions.

The simple fact is that the voters have finally said enough is enough to failed policies by State Govt. That is not a conservative or liberal position. That is just plain old common sense.
Yankee
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 11:59 am
@McGentrix,
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Well, you are surely an expert in hypocrisy, so I will take your word for it. I mean who else would complain about someone else complaining about personal attacks while making a personal attack?


Now THAT, is funny!!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
So what qualifications do you have to justify your criticism of him? What you you offer to show that you know more than he knows? By what authority do you presume to judge him? What has he said that you can show not to be the truth?
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Being a big businessman means that what you don't know is more valuable than what others do know, even if it's the same thing.

He doesn't know things about Obama which others do know. This makes him a really poor authority on this topic, no matter what his credentials are. The worlds most leading psychologist doesn't get to trump the Civil War historian on matters of the civil war because they are the worlds most leading psychologist. It's irrelevant.

This is the most blatant argument from authority one can have: They are really great at football, so trust them on baseball, because they are really great at football.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:06 pm
@Yankee,
Yankee wrote:

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You are of course welcome to think whatever you like about me and my opinions.


Should I thank you for allowing me to actually have an opinion?

How ever many "millions" of listeners Rush may have, it is insignificant when measured against the voting public. For you or anyone to think he holds any influence to a majority is again, ignorant based upon the facts.

I do not buy into this argument regarding "American Conservatism" or "American Liberalism". To me, those are only labels each side pastes against themselves to shield their extreme point of view from the dim witted.

As an example, look at the recent defeat in California for tax increases. For years, California was labeled as a "liberal" State. Yet, I hear so called Conservative now using that defeat to champion their positions.

The simple fact is that the voters have finally said enough is enough to failed policies by State Govt. That is not a conservative or liberal position. That is just plain old common sense.


Actually, I wonder if you have bothered to do any real research about the budget problems here in California at all, as what you have written doesn't really reflect the reality of the situation; that is to say, the Republicans in California have sucessfully hijacked the budgeting process to hold the state hostage.

As for the recent ballot defeat of tax raises, these initiatives had a whole load of odd things thrown in that made no fiscal sense.

As for this,

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How ever many "millions" of listeners Rush may have, it is insignificant when measured against the voting public. For you or anyone to think he holds any influence to a majority is again, ignorant based upon the facts.


You are simply incorrect. Limbaugh is an opinion-driver and leader of the Republican party in many ways. So much so, that he is the most identified person in that role in a very recent Gallup poll. See:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/10/poll-majority-unsure-who-speaks-for-the-gop/

Guys like Limbaugh and Hannity give voice to the things that elected Republicans think but fear to say. They most definitely drive the party in many ways.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:09 pm
@Diest TKO,
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You realize this is exactly the ind of thing that Fox loves right? It's yet another things that allows her to address her arguments to the nameless "liberals," and convieniantly act so offended.


How would this be a problem, TKO? That's one fox that ain't about to change its spots.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:09 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

So what qualifications do you have to justify your criticism of him?


I don't need qualifications to justify my criticism of him or anyone. Just as he doesn't need qualifications to justify his criticism of Obama. However, you saw fit to include his resume as if that somehow added weight to his criticisms. It does not, in any way.

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What you you offer to show that you know more than he knows? By what authority do you presume to judge him?


On my own authority. I need appeal to nobody to be able to use my brain to build a rational case for anything I wish. How authoritarian of you to suggest such a thing!

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What has he said that you can show not to be the truth?


While many of his statements are lies, most just show ignorance and a severely warped mind.

Cycloptichorn
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

So what qualifications do you have to justify your criticism of him? What you you offer to show that you know more than he knows? By what authority do you presume to judge him? What has he said that you can show not to be the truth?

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...culturally you are not an American.
Bold statement from someone who doesn't know anything about Obama. I mean, the guy basically brags about how little he knows about the guy.

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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:14 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I notice you carefully avoided the question asking for evidence that he was wrong. I'm also waiting for somebody on the Left to make a liar out of me by accepting JamesMorrison's challenge.

I think one thing that most separates Modern Amnerican Conservatives from Modern American Liberals is that Conservatives can so much better articulate WHY they believe what they believe. Many MALs don't seem to be able to able to do that and rather attack the messenger or make some kind of 'blind faith' remark. This much reinforces my opinion that the MACs hold the much more defensible position.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 10 Jun, 2009 12:14 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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You realize this is exactly the ind of thing that Fox loves right? It's yet another things that allows her to address her arguments to the nameless "liberals," and convieniantly act so offended.


How would this be a problem, TKO? That's one fox that ain't about to change its spots.

See, that's the problem here. Foxes, aren't supposed to have spots. Cool

It's the camera behind the camera behind the camera. Fox seemed to get joy out of baiting Wandel, but missed the irony of having her moves telegraphed cause she ignores my posts. She's super predictable. I can find enjoyment in calling her moves first.

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