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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:30 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

genoves wrote:

Rasmussen Reports notes the following:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Tuesday, May 26, 2009.
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 31% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty percent (30%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +1. That’s the lowest positive rating yet received by the new President .

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THE LOWEST POSITIVE RATING RECEIVED BY THE NEW PRESIDENT!!!!!

And this is only four or five months since BO has been elected!!!!

The Republicans in the House and in the Senate( those up for re-election) are hoping that the Community Organizer from Chicago keeps fouling up, contradicing himself, endorsing the Bush policies he eschewed in his campaign and raising the Unemployment Rate.

It is possible that the election in 2010 will produce a Democratic Party that did not know what hit it--somewhat like the Democratic Party in 1994!


Today, it seems to have improved slightly again, as it keeps bouncing along with the two curves very close together, but I think it is inevitably going to go negative for Obama, because the people can't be that blind that long, can they?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/may_2009/obama_index_may_27_2009/222067-1-eng-US/obama_index_may_27_2009.jpg


Keep telling yourself that.

And you would also be better served to use a graph which shows overall positive vs. negative. Ras is using the fact that Obama has unusually high 'strongly disapprove' numbers - mostly coming from you Republicans who still can't wrap your head around our new, liberal, black president - to try and show that he is somehow not highly approved. However, the fact is that his overall approval ratings still remain in the 60% range.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:37 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mostly coming from you Republicans who still can't wrap your head around our new, liberal, black president -
Cycloptichorn

My head is not as concave as yours, cyclops, nor do I want to make it that way.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:40 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
mostly coming from you Republicans who still can't wrap your head around our new, liberal, black president -
Cycloptichorn

My head is not as concave as yours, cyclops, nor do I want to make it that way.


As my head is not at all concave I suppose this means yours is grossly enlarged and quite bulbous?

You're just pissy because I popped your 'Obama is rapidly becoming unpopluar!' balloon. Grow up a little.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:43 am
Obama is black? Huh. Wouldn't have known that without Cyc throwing that out there. I guess that if you disapprove of his performance thus far, you must be a racist.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:45 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Obama is black? Huh. Wouldn't have known that without Cyc throwing that out there. I guess that if you disapprove of his performance thus far, you must be a racist.


Not necessarily, but I bet if you are a racist, you disapprove of his performance.

One of these days you will learn to form basic logical structures, and recognize them in others' arguments. But not today, apparently.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I am sure race could be the reason you oppose Michael Steele too, right Cyclops? If a black man is the chairman of a party you oppose, that is probably a factor, it has to be, doesn't it? If you are a racist, that would be the case, most certainly.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 09:58 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I am sure race is the reason you oppose Michael Steele too, right Cyclops? If a black man is the chairman of a party you oppose, that is probably a factor, it has to be, doesn't it? If you are a racist, that would be the case, most certainly.


Who told you I oppose Michael Steele? I love that guy!

He's doing wonders for the Democratic party these days. Wouldn't you agree?

Keep trying, maybe you'll connect with a funny or insightful comment one of these days. I doubt it, but it sure is fun in the meantime.

Back on topic,

Do you still have a stick up your ass about the new guy? You ought to learn to let it go and enjoy the next few years. And you just know he's got an overwhelming chance of winning again in 4 years. Instead of being upset the whole time, why don't you just relax and see how things turn out?

Cyclotpichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 10:29 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Yup. But people like Colin Powell want the party to be more centrist even after we just lost an election by 10 million votes when we ran the most liberal candidate ever to head a GOP ticket. I think General Powell's advice is not wise to follow on that score. John McCain looks like a conservative extremist compared to Barack Obama, but I don't think the GOP is losing members because it emulates conservative values, but it is losing members because it has abandoned so many conservative values.

The GOP does need to distance itself from the more radical extremists in its midst and not include agenda on its platform that should not be prerogative of the federal government. But it does NOT need to become more liberal.

Foxfyre, Powell failed to vote for a so-called centrist, a reach across the aisle guy, McCain. I think that says alot more about Powell than it does the Republican Party. Powell doesn't make alot of sense, really none as far as I can see. I think he has lost his marbles. I think its a case of somebody that wants to appear "with it" or "trendy." He would rather be popular and be approved by the Washingtonian elites than he would actually look at the issues and stand for what he stood for before.


Powell's a difficult man to dislike, and when you hear him speak he does come across as calm, rational, disciplined, and not a wild-eyed ideologue.

You probably recall that the fickle left trashed him when he was supporting conservative principles and was the darling of the GOP. Among some of the more kind things said about him was that he had 'sold out', or 'he was a discredit to his race--they like to frequently point out what race people are and believe a person's race has significant importance', or as one member described him, complete with a photoshopped illustration, a 'hanky head'.

Of course those of us who had always believed that Powell was a more centrist Republican, but more on the right than the left, raised eyebrows high when he publically endorsed Barack Obama, and it has shaken our faith in where his true political and social conscience is centered. Is he attempting to build or salvage a legacy with what he now perceives to be the majority? I don't know. It sort of looks that way but it would be very disappointing if he was in fact that shallow.

Meanwhile he is now the darling of the Left, quoted at every opportunity, and held up as the model of what true virtue looks like. He can do no wrong, say no wrong, and his advice would be the GOP's salvation if anybody in the GOP had a brain. (And if you believe ANY of those saying that stuff have the GOP's interest at heart, I still have that nice assortment of bridges to sell.)
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 11:28 am
Robin, the recovering liberal in Berkeley, is back with a new letter! Not only does she live in Berkeley, but she is Jewish, was raised in New York City, and is a psychotherapist. How could I ever doubt that she used to be a liberal!

Quote:
How to Deprogram a Liberal in One Year Or Less
(By Robin of Berkeley, American Thinker, May 21, 2009)

So what do you do when you realize that everything you've ever thought and believed no longer worked for you? Where do you go when the bubble of progressive politics bursts in your face and you're left in the leftist place on earth? It seems that the choices are as follows: either you cling to your beliefs even more zealously and attack anyone who dares to disagree. Or, if you're like me, you embark on a journey of discovery and recovery.

I wrote another piece recently for American Thinker, a letter of amends to conservatives. In it I described why I transformed from a Berkeley leftist to a talk radio loving conservative the last 1 1/2 years. I realized the Democratic Party wasn't what I thought, that it had mutated into something mean and rough, and that I had probably been living in a fantasy world all along. I very much appreciated the outpouring of support, wisdom, and forgiveness from American Thinker readers.

Many said something to the effect of: Robin, congrats, but what in the world took you so long? So let me explain. I wasn't just your garden variety liberal who voted Democrat and that was about it. I was a true believer. A zealot. Like many leftists who had abandoned Judeo-Christian religion, I worshipped at the altar of liberalism. For instance, I never missed watching the Democratic National Convention. I watched every speech, with tissue box handy. (What kind of a freak was I anyway?) The Democratic Party symbolized hope, love, compassion, promise, everything that was good and holy in the world. I gave money, my time, my heart, my soul. I cried with joy when Democrats won; I was distraught when they lost.

I was programmed from birth to be a devout liberal. My dad, a hard working first generation Russian Jew, would lecture me on a regular basis, "The Democrats are the party of the little people. The Republicans are the party of the rich guy." He would also get a little weepy when he watched the DNC (so that must be where I got it from). One of our rare moments of bonding was reading the newspapers together on opposite ends of the couch, interrupting each other with stories about the bad Republicans and the heroic Democrats.

When I was in high school in the early 70's in New York, I wrote impassioned essays on civil rights and on feminism. In college, in the days before universities became indoctrination factories, I searched for politically left classes, and took every one I could find. I spent years in consciousness raising groups lambasting male oppression with other angry feminists, and yelled "Two Four Six Eight, Pornography is Woman Hate," at numerous marches.

When I was 26, I parked myself in the People's Republic of Berkeley, CA, the epicenter of the far left. I came as a liberal but soon morphed into a leftist as most people here do. In Berkeley, San Francisco, Oakland, and the outlying towns, there is no Republican Party. Literally. There are only Democrats running against other Democrats. I recall years ago going to vote at a time when there were separate lines for Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats' line was a mile long. The Republican's was free and clear. After we all stood there waiting for 45 minutes, a brave young man walked up to the Republican booth and quickly voted. I still recall the cackles and giggles as we pointed and stared at this odd, exotic bird that had come to perch for a brief while.

So maybe you get now how hard it was, how disorienting and destabilizing and crazy making it was, when I realized about 1 1/2 years ago that I no longer believed in liberalism. I walked around in a confused state for weeks. Being a Democrat, a liberal, a far left radical from Berkeley was a big part of my identity. So who the heck was I if I weren't a leftist? And what in the world would I do, given that my husband, all my friends, and all my psychotherapist clients were liberal and I would be public enemy #1 if I told anyone? Converting from Islam to Judaism, yet still hanging out in front of the old mosque in Kabul, probably would have been easier.

After weeks of shuffling around like a zombie, it was time to do something about it. The first step, I decided, was deprogramming myself from decades of liberal propaganda. Out went books by Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, and various 9/11 conspiracy books. In came Mark Levin, Ben Stein, Ron Paul, and Ayn Rand. I heard something vaguely about Talk Radio, so I scanned my AM dial, and found Michael Savage. I was shocked and offended by his diatribes -- but also oddly intrigued. I found many others: Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Boortz, Medved, all of whom became my "sponsors" in recovery this last year. I found wonderfully insightful websites like American Thinker.

To my disbelief, the more I listened and read, the more these folks made sense. For instance, at first I couldn't understand why so many conservatives expressed concern about morality issues, like gay marriage. Berkeley is Lesbian Central, and I know many good hearted gay people. But the more I learned, the more I started getting the larger picture; that conservatives were not necessarily impugning the character of gay people, but they were alarmed at the breakdown of traditional values. If the basic structure of society goes, e.g., traditional marriage, religion, patriotism, common language, what remains? If everything becomes fluid, what is there to hold onto? Without any moral structure and traditions, a society descends into anarchy and mob rule, as it is clearly doing today.

As I educated myself, I started thinking and rethinking. I'd wake up in the middle of the night with the sudden realization that deeply held beliefs made no sense. Take the anti war stance of the left. Noble and sanctimonious and all that. But how easy it is to sit back and preach peace when you have an army defending you; to rail against the U.S. when you are protected by free speech laws; to demonize Israel, when you've never lived through the murderous pogroms of Tsarist Russia or the Holocaust. How hypocritical to lambast Big Business while you are making money from their stocks in your mutual fund portfolio (that is, until Obama took over). And how ludicrous to admire Chavez, Castro and all things socialist, when the closest experience you've had to standing on a bread line is queuing up for goat cheese/arugula pizza at Whole Foods.

And this love affair with Radical Islam -- what's up with that? I had previously thought of Islam as a quaint, folksy religion. But when I started actually reading about it, especially Dr. Phyllis Chesler's illuminating books and web site, I realized extremist Muslims were advocating some seriously scary stuff, like destroying Israel and the West. I had been oblivious of the horrendous treatment of women: the honor killings, beheadings, genital mutilation. It now seemed like the height of naivety, if not masochism, to embrace with open arms people who want to kill you. While as a liberal I was socialized to believe everyone was good, all cultures were the same, and We Are The World, We Are The Children, I began to understand that evil exists. The emergence of evil always offers warnings signs, and we ignore them at our peril.

Though exhausted from lack of sleep, I also started waking up. I realized, to my utter incredulity, that conservatives made sense, and that I was one of them. I recalled Mark Twain's quip about his father: When Twain was a teenager, he thought his father was the stupidest man in the world; but when he became a young man in his 20's, his father had many intelligent things to say. Twain couldn't believe how much his father had learned in those years! Like Twain, I grew up and saw the world as it is. Yes it would be nice to save the planet, to eliminate hunger, and to make everyone good and righteous. But humans don't have the power to do that. To walk around, as I did, with utopian images that didn't match reality was to view life through the eyes of a child. An adult understands that civility matters, people need to be held accountable for their behavior, and protecting yourself and your country are moral imperatives.

So it took about a year, but my deprogramming has been successful. I'm comfortable in my own skin, feel more alive than I have in years, and am excited by all I'm learning and becoming. Now when I listen to Sean Hannity's theme song, "Let Freedom Ring," I get a little misty eyed (some things never change). I only hope and pray (yes I'm doing that more too) that the US survives when the Democrats are done "changing" it. But if this lifelong left winger from Berkeley can wake up, hopefully others will also do so before it's too late.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 11:52 am
@wandeljw,
A third letter from Robin!!! (published yesterday)
Quote:
Desperately Seeking (Conservative) People
(By Robin of Berkeley, American Thinker, MAY 26, 2009)

A recovering liberal tries to do the impossible: create a social life in the most leftist place on earth.


Like most women, I'm a social creature. I need friends with whom I can confide, commiserate, complain. So when my 35 year love affair with the Democratic Party fell apart 1 1/2 years ago, I needed someone to talk to, someone who would understand that something was rotten in Denmark.


First I tried my husband, a supportive kind of a guy, but one who gets his news from Berkeley's KPFA, a radio station to the far left of Al-Jazeera.


Me: Something is seriously wrong with the Democratic Party.


Him: I have no idea what you're talking about.


Me: The brutality, the meanness, the cult like following of Obama.


Him: That's just politics as usual.


Me: But what about Obama's association with really far left radicals who hate Jews and America and Whites?


Him: I'm sure Obama would serve from the middle and bring everyone together.


Me: I don't think so. I think he'll lean toward socialism and divide everyone even more. I'm worried about paying taxes through the roof and the government involved in every aspect of our lives.


Him: (with barely contained disgust) Jeez, you're sounding like a conservative.


Ok, that didn't go so well.


My next stop was my friend, Laura, a level headed, moderate Democratic who is not very political.


Me: I don't feel good about Obama. He seems so angry and there's this weird Obama mania surrounding him.


Laura: Really? I think he's so cool.


Me: Cool, yes, as in icy cold.


Laura: (Looking infatuated, even possessed) Everyone just loves him! He's so great! I love watching him on TV!


Me: Oh, God, Laura, you've become one of them! Personally, if Obama gets the nomination, I'm voting Republican for the first time in my life.


Laura: (with a look of utter revulsion, as though I told her I microwaved a kitten) Republicans are disgusting.


My last hope was talking to my therapist, Bob; you need a psychotherapist, an acupuncturist, a masseuse, and a spiritual teacher to survive here in Berkeley. I've seen Bob for years, and we're generally on the same page. And, after all, I'm paying the dude to be nice to me.


I told him of my grave misgivings about Obama, that no one knows much about him aside from his seriously whacked out friends. He said (and these were his exact words), "I'm wondering whether your concerns about Obama have something to do with your childhood."


Bye bye Bobby. I can be humiliated for free, thank you very much.


Three strikes and I was out. So discussing my growing anxiety about Obama with my social support system wasn't working out very well. I considered my options:


A. I could close my private practice, move to Texas, and go on welfare (but I didn't want to give Obama the satisfaction, and I am not sure welfare in Texas is quite like what California hands out);


B. I could wait until I'm rich via Obamaeconomics (LOL) and then move to Texas;


C. I could numb out with megadoses of medical marijuana and vodka (though my aging body can't handle much more than my dose of Maalox.);


D. I could stay where I was and meet some new people. So my only option was finding a conservative around here, a challenge that would rival Middle East peace.


I considered running a personal ad in the Berkeley Daily Planet:


Wanted: New Friends

Size, height, weight, marital status, state of health, state of mind, age, race, income, class, hobbies, interests, jobs, length of life, unimportant.

Felons, parolees, drug addicts, alcoholics, gamblers, hygiene-impaired, dwarfs, giants, heavily tattooed gang members, unemployed, unintelligible, schizophrenics, multiple
personalities, fugitives, all encouraged.

However, no Liberals.


But I worried that even this wouldn't attract any comers.


So, I put my thinking hat on and decided I should try trolling for new friends in the fancy outlying suburbs, which are largely Democratic but have small pockets of conservatives. I began hanging out weekends, keeping my eyes and ears open. Frankly, it's a miracle no one called the cops ("Officer, hurry! There's this unfashionably dressed woman from Berkeley who refuses to leave our town until she finds some friends!")


After a couple of weekends, I lucked out and discovered a downtown Farmer's Market and a nervous looking woman tabling for McCain. When I zipped over, introduced myself and said I was from Berkeley, the poor woman looked seriously scared. She calmed noticeably when I said, "I've left the Democratic Party and am voting for McCain." I told her that I was her bodyguard (joke: I'm 5'4 and have no muscle tone to speak of). Together we endured the taunts of Obama supporters; one guy shouted that we were a "cult" (hello? I'm not the one with the politico's face plastered all over my chest, car, wall, undies, etc. etc.) Anyway, this nice woman offered me her contact info and we started connecting.


I landed a few more people. I thought to call McCain headquarters out in the 'burbs and found another disgruntled former Dem. I even found a woman my age outside a Starbuck's, having a conversation with an acquaintance about her distrust of Obama. (I wasn't above eavesdropping.) When her acquaintance left, I zoomed in, and soon we were sitting together and talking for three hours.


Eventually I had assembled 5 other people and started an e tree where we offered support and shared war stories. When my new Farmers Market friend was tabling again, she had a liberal jerk dump a garbage can all over her and her table, while no one did a thing. Another person was proselytized by her Obama-loving gynecologist during a pelvic exam. Many of us were underground with others about our views (Ironic, isn't it, that that the architects of the Weather Underground, Bill Ayers and his enchanting wife Bernardine Dohrn, now have a friend in the Oval Office power while law abiding citizens are forced underground.) Through our e tree we could let our hair down and find safety and sanity.


I'm very grateful to my new friends for taking this lost Berkeley waif under their protective wings. But it's still really hard to have to hide who I am, to smile blankly when old friends talk up Obama. I'm the kind of person who doesn't have a public and a private face; with me, what you see is what you get. So masquerading around as a supporter of all things Obama is just not me and, frankly, having to do so pisses me off.


But part of my recovery from being a starry eyed utopian is living in reality zone. We are in dark times, uncharted waters, and I live at Ground Zero. Until it's safe to come out of the closet, I'll have to stay in here. But finding new friends, and knowing that there are others out there as well, makes the closet a bit less lonely.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 11:54 am
Wisdom circa 1778: Alexander Fraser Tytler, better known as Lord Woodhouselee (1747 " 1813)

Quote:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, and from dependency back to bondage.


The USA began in 1789 as a constitutional representative republic. But since 1913 and the adoption of unconstitutional discriminatory federal tax systems, it has been evolving into a democracy in which the voters have increasingly discovered "that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure." Obama is currently accelerating our country's evolution into a democracy in which the voters are increasingly discovering "that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure." If this evolution is not stopped and reversed, our country will progress to a dictatorship ... a country of "bondage."

The Constitutional Representative Republic of the USA was born March 4, 1789. As of March 4, 2009, the USA has lasted 220 years!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 12:05 pm
@wandeljw,
She needs to see a psychotherapist to help her with her extreme interpretations of who Obama is. How does she come to her conclusions about whites, Jews, and socialism? She's also blind to the bigotry and hatred of the conservatives towards gays and lesbians, and the poor. Conservatives who talk about pro-life also thinks pro-choice always means pro-abortions - to kill babies.

She needs a reality check.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 12:26 pm
Soros, Obama, and all the rest of the MALs are gangsters.

GEORGE SOROS in his 1995 book, page 145, [I]Soros on Soros[/I], wrote:
I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=gangsterism&x=21&y=6
Main Entry: gang·ster·ism
...
Function: noun
...
: the organized use of violence, intimidation, or other extralegal means of coercion for personal or group ends
...

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=gangster&x=27&y=8
Main Entry: gang·ster
...
Function: noun
...
a person who uses violence, intimidation, or other extralegal means of coercion for business ends
...
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

She needs to see a psychotherapist to help her with her extreme interpretations of who Obama is. How does she come to her conclusions about whites, Jews, and socialism? She's also blind to the bigotry and hatred of the conservatives towards gays and lesbians, and the poor. Conservatives who talk about pro-life also thinks pro-choice always means pro-abortions - to kill babies.

She needs a reality check.


American Thinker website has published three letters from "Robin of Berkeley":
Letter of Amends from a Recovering Liberal in Berkeley (May 11, 2009)
How to Deprogram a Liberal in One Year Or Less (May 21, 2009)
Desperately Seeking (Conservative) People (May 26, 2009)

If you read these letters with a "B.S. detector" nearby, alarms should go off. In my opinion, the letters are the fantasy of a conservative propagandist. The account of Robin's life as a liberal followed by a conversion to conservatism has been fabricated by using horrible liberal stereotypes.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:32 pm
Of course it does. Couldn't ever actually happen that a person changes their beliefs and political ideology, right?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:36 pm
@McGentrix,
Well, you were the first person to call our attention to Robin, McGentrix. Do you honestly believe that the accounts of Robin's life are genuine?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:41 pm
@wandeljw,
i would say, there's nothing worse than a convert.

or at least i'd say that if i thought this robin was anything more than a simple construct to give the republican victimization riff a little more uhh, hmm. not real sure what it's supposed to be. can't polish a poop.


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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:41 pm
@wandeljw,
I have seen no reason to doubt them. People become enlightened all over the globe, surely Berkley is not immune to such occurrences.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:43 pm
@McGentrix,
That's not a change in "political ideology." It's a conversion from humanity to outright hatred; homophobics, *racists, and no sympathy for the middle class or poor. "Racists to the extent of what we observed during the presidential campaign when people said about Obama, "kill him" and that lady who called Obama a "Muslim/Arab" plus other incidences during the Palin and McCain's campaign.

Who could be so blind as not to have seen all of that hatred?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 02:37 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

I have seen no reason to doubt them. People become enlightened all over the globe, surely Berkley is not immune to such occurrences.


You can't pick up Republican buzzwords and language like that without a dedicated study.

There's no reason whatsoever to believe the authenticity of this piece; it's just propaganda for you to lap up. And how happy are you to comply?

Nothing more than a chain email.

Cycloptichorn
 

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