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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:36 pm
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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:38 pm


More about BO's favorite organization-ACORN. BO worked closely with ACORN when he was a community organizer in the Chicago Ghetto. Many of BO's homeboys were members of ACORN.

Acorn Charged in Voter Registration Fraud Case in Nevada
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Published: May 5, 2009
LAS VEGAS " A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism from Republicans during last year’s presidential race was charged by Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.

Two former leaders of the group’s Nevada branch were also charged in connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter registration forms.

The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5 for registering more than 21.

Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms, Secretary of State Ross Miller said.

Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who voted in November, according to data provided by Mr. Miller’s office.

Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon characters.

“This is not a case of voter fraud, it’s a case of voter registration fraud,” Mr. Miller said. “I’m very confident that none of these fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration rolls or to cast votes.”

The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of creating an incentive program called “blackjack” because $5 was paid for signing more than 21 prospective voters.

Also indicted was Acorn’s former deputy regional director, Amy Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-year prison term and a $5,000 fine.

Acorn’s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments “political grandstanding” by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, both Democrats.

Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated with investigators.

“This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to indict us is a clear case of blaming the victim,” Mr. Levenson said. “We had an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to stop.”

Neither the former employees nor Las Vegas Acorn officials could be reached for comment.


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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:43 pm
@Lightwizard,
Absolutely correct, Lightwizard. Hateful attacks on American citizens can not be tolerated. The erdite Stanley Fish, former chancellor of Illinois University( Chicago branch, once wrote a book asserting that there is no free speech and that was a good thing.

You cannot yell fire in a crowded theatre. You can not systemically destroy the reputations and the lives of Millions of Americans with filthy comments.

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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:49 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
What Republican Voter registrations that have run afoul, Dont tread on Me?

Specifics? Or are you just fond of bovine excrement?

Post specifics!!!! not unsupported baloney! Give links or replicate the charges.
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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:51 pm
I can find no evidence about convictions on anyone named Mark Jacoby. Is this more bovine excrement posted by Don't Tread on Me?
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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:58 pm
Diest TKO shows his complete ignorance concerning "political correctness". If Diest TKO had done some serious study he would know that the left wing is truly intolerant.
Below is the list of the left wing intolerances on campus according to the National Association of Scholars--my comments in parenthesis.

l. A willingness to admit students widely disparate in their levels of preparation in order to make the campus demographically representative( African-American Affirmative Action graduates of American Law Schools invaribly come from the bottom of the class rank)

2.Preferential hiring for faculty and staff positionss determined by race, ethnicity and gender(Lesbian Black Handicapped Puerto Rican Females trump all other candidates. Diest TKO probably thinks this is a good idea but intellectual and scholarly achievements must be the only criterion for Universities which want to achieve true scholarship)

3. Punitive codes restricting "insensitive" speech. ( The left wing, which prides itself on its tolerance is really fascistic in this regard and puts Joseph Goebbels' control of Nazi newspapers to shame).

It is obvious ,Diest TKO,that you know nothing about "political correctness" and what it really means. The left prates about "diversity" yet does not allow any viewpoint which does not adhere to the Nazi like strictures of the left
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:25 am
"Freedom of Speech" and Miss MORON.

Miss Moron sobbed, "I exercised my freedom of speech and I was punished for doing so. This should not happen in America. It undermines the constitutional rights for which my grandfather fought for."

Huh? The constitution secures individual speech from unreasonable GOVERNMENT abridgements.

When did the government violate the First Amendment by punishing Miss Moron for her anti-gay marriage speech?

How does Miss Moron's uninformed opinion of the constitution work? Apparently, no one in America is allowed to criticize her bigotry. The essence of her complaint wrapped up in emotional victimhood is as follows: "I can speak, but you can't." Conservative hypocrisy is rearing its ugly head again. She's vying to be the new spokesperson for the conservative movement, but she's not as smart as their former spokesperson, Joe the Plumber.

Check out Olbermann's new segment called WTF!?! featuring the moronic Miss California:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#30711675
genoves
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:31 am
@Debra Law,
I take back everything I said in my post about Freedom of Speech. I have been corrected by D E B R A L A W. Many on these threads do not know who DEBRA L A W is. I do. Many do not realize the legal brain power that someone named L A W must have.

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In reality, Debra Law is a fake. She took a couple of courses in Law and thinks that she knows it all. Actually, any lawyer well versed in Constitutional Law would wipe up the floor with her.

If Debra LAW were really a legal genius, she would be busy in a Top 100 law firm and have no time to write on able2know.

Debra LAW has never listed the source of her magnificent Legal knowledge.

I am sure, that if she did muddle through law school, she was a graduate of a TTT. Third Tier Toilet Law School--the pits.
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genoves
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:41 am
If you cut through the bovine excrement being spewed by Debra L A W and reference a brilliant legal mind, you find that Debra L A W is probably highly excrementatious.

Alan M. Dershowitz has written( concerning the suppression of the Dartmouth Review)---

"I have no doubt that if these were left wing students being suspended on identical grounds, the ACLU would be in this case- Bill of Rights in hand---arguing against the punishment of students on such vague grounds as "vexatious", "aggressive" and "confrontational" speech. Both the ACLU and the Bill of Rights lose credibility when a double standard is applied, depending on the POLITICS of those whose speech is punished"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:00 am
@Debra Law,
It's really funny seeing how the conservative party progresses into the deeper **** hole of politics. In the first place, they can't see the hypocrisy or irony of how they interpret the Constitution by speaking about one amendment and forgetting another, and base their rhetoric on the bible which has been shown to be fiction and discriminatory in according with the Constitution.

"All men (and women) are created equal." What's so hard about understanding that?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:14 am
@Debra Law,
Deb, let's be a bit charitable. Remember, she is about 21. What did you know about the Bill of Rights at that age?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:15 am
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

"Freedom of Speech" and Miss MORON.

Miss Moron sobbed, "I exercised my freedom of speech and I was punished for doing so. This should not happen in America. It undermines the constitutional rights for which my grandfather fought for."


i wonder if she supported freedom of speech when natalie maines was getting reemed. or did she make tracks down to her nearest talk radio station and burn a few dixie chicks cds?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:20 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Deb, let's be a bit charitable. Remember, she is about 21. What did you know about the Bill of Rights at that age?


with her it's more like what does she know about hypocrisy.

a woman who is out there flashing her ass around and doing nude shots needs to check herself before she starts making moral pronouncements about someone else's sexuality.

seriously. if she had any brains, she could have hit a home run by telling the judge that she didn't believe in discussing personal beliefs at work.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:51 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
What moral pronouncement? Here's her exact quote:

Quote:
Announcer: Your question comes from Judge #8, Perez Hilton.
Announcer 2: Are we worried?
Announcer 1: You should be.
Perez Hilton: Vermont recently became the 4th state to legalize same-sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit - why or why not?

Miss California: Well, I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage, and you know what, in my country and in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised and that's how I think it should be between a man and a woman.


Where's any judgment? She's expressing a convinction that many don't share, but where is any denigration or defamation of anybody? What is so terrible about this comment that deserves her to get a zero from the judge that almost certainly cost her the win, or the trashing of her by the self-righteous leftwing bloggers and commentators who have presumed to characterize her in the most ugly ways. Something like you just did?

Natalie Maines, at a concert in London, volunteered: "Just so you know, we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas." This was to a British audience in a foreign country, nine days before the invasion of Iraq. It is understandable that manyAmerican patriots would take offense at that and criticism was justified. She as an American representing America was pointedly and specifically denigrating the President of the United States.

Did she deserve criticism for the remark? Yes. For the remark regardless of who the President was at the time.

Is it within the right of those to choose not to buy her records or to not contract with the Dixie Chicks for concerts because they don't appreciate such remarks? Yes. Because they don't appreciate the Dixie Chicks or because they don't want audiences subjected to that kind of rhetoric. Yes.

Does she deserve to be dragged through the mud and painted as a horrible person and smeared as a tramp and hussy and campaigns launched to demand that she be fired or rejected or whatever or active campaigns be launched to injure her financially? No.


DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:03 pm
foxy, free speech is free speech. either we all have it or we don't.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:24 pm
@Foxfyre,
No, she shouldn't be dragged through the mud; but she's become one of the conservatives favorite spokes-person. (As the party gets smaller and smaller.)
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:29 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:


Where's any judgment? She's expressing a convinction that many don't share, but where is any denigration or defamation of anybody? What is so terrible about this comment that deserves her to get a zero from the judge that almost certainly cost her the win, or the trashing of her by the self-righteous leftwing bloggers and commentators who have presumed to characterize her in the most ugly ways. Something like you just did?


Her quote implicitly implies that gays and lesbians are lesser beings than straight folks. There's no difference between stating what she did, and saying that she was raised to believe that whites are superior to other races, that's just her opinion after all.

Her opinion denigrates and defames a whole class of people. And so does yours, Fox. Both of you fail to care about the effect of your beliefs, because you don't accept gays and lesbians as equals to yourself. That's just plain wrong. And she deserves the scorn she has received.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:29 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Which is precisely the point I was making. Free speech as expressed in the First Amendment, however, was specifically to prevent the government from being able to punish any person for the unpopular opinions they expressed short of speech that endangered or violated the rights of others.

Beyond that, the Founders knew that a civil society would have to voluntarily apply the principles in their every day life based on their moral sense of what is and is not fair and honorable.

Therefore I am excercising both my Constitutional right to free speech and my moral sense of what is and is not fair play to say that what the Left has been doing to Miss California is neither honorable nor fair and should not be tolerable in a just society.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:32 pm
Amazing to me, that some consider it perfectly appropriate to publicly express the concept that some members of society are lesser than others and deserve less rights, but inappropriate for others to call that person out on their bigotry.

How ridiculous can you get. She could have answered the question neutrally, but she went out of her way to say offensive things. She has nobody to blame for this other than herself.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:


Where's any judgment? She's expressing a convinction that many don't share, but where is any denigration or defamation of anybody? What is so terrible about this comment that deserves her to get a zero from the judge that almost certainly cost her the win, or the trashing of her by the self-righteous leftwing bloggers and commentators who have presumed to characterize her in the most ugly ways. Something like you just did?


Her quote implicitly implies that gays and lesbians are lesser beings than straight folks. There's no difference between stating what she did, and saying that she was raised to believe that whites are superior to other races, that's just her opinion after all.

Her opinion denigrates and defames a whole class of people. And so does yours, Fox. Both of you fail to care about the effect of your beliefs, because you don't accept gays and lesbians as equals to yourself. That's just plain wrong. And she deserves the scorn she has received.

Cycloptichorn


I'm still waiting for you to say that President Obama did that then and that he deserves scorn, trashing, smearing, public ridicule and all sorts of ugly innuendo--perhaps does not deserve to be President of the United States--that he asked for it, that he does not accept gays and lesbians as equals to himself. You said you would if I proved that he agreed with Miss California. He does. I did prove it. So speak.
 

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