AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

The point is not what she stated about gay marriage nor the nude photos -- who's the opportunist here? Wait and see -- I think it will be Miss California, mostly due to the fact that Donald Trump fantasizes about getting into her pants and her "handlers" stirring up as much publicity as possible whether it went one way or another. She'd get tickled to death with that hair-do and just what body parts are they "handling?" Her burst of melodramatic emotion and crocodile tears at the conference this morning was a joke (oh, I'm such a victim...er, wait, make that martyr).

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

okie wrote:

http://www.tsrn.us/blog/2009/05/10/acorn-workers-quit-over-corruption-nobody-cared-glenn-beck/

you didn't need to post this, okie. i saw it on beck on friday.

you guys are beating me, and others, over the head with this stuff. like it's a big score.

but, i have already said that if acorn, or even foghorn leghorn, are convicted of breaking the law, i'm all for punishing them.

but, the funny thing is, you have never posted anything about any of the republican Voter Registration orgs that have run afoul.

even in your own clip, your evidence, reid says that acorn endorsed John McCain as the republican nominee / candidate.

i mentioned earlier a few republican orgs that had similar problems, and some resulted in actual arrests and jail time.

your pal genoves (or whoever) said he "didn't care" about them.

so, what do you think about the republican groups and individuals that have had similar allegations and/ or arrests, okie?

shouldn't they be discussed as well, since we are all so worried about having honest elections in america?

I'm all for prosecuting anyone for voter fraud, but to be honest the Republican efforts at fraud are pretty lame compared to Democrats. ACORN is obviously a front organization for Democrats, a bunch of little minions running around all over the country, supposedly registering people that are either too helpless or too dumb to find the county clerks office. It is all so obviously corrupt, using government money to do their political dirty tricks, to stack the polls.

Why is it when I grew up, people had enough smarts to go register themselves, if they had any desire to vote in the first place? What happened to doing it that way? Are people that helpless?

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And from this month's current events:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Foden20090513-Redcoats20090513034038.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM090428CLR-BushsFl20090428040315.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sst051109dBP20090512041521.jpg

NOTE: After the Clinton administration made universal healthcare a top priority and failed in eight years......after the Bush administration made affordable healthcare a top priority and failed in eight years but did give us another crushingly expensive entitlement in the form of the Medicare Prescription bill that almost nobody wanted.....I am pleased to announce that after a two-day meeting, President Obama has come up with a plan to provide affordable universal healthcare to everybody. Isn't he amazing?

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr051209dAPR20090512041420.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr051009dAPR20090509035949.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sbr050309dAPR20090502021846.jpg

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Why is it when I grew up, people had enough smarts to go register themselves, if they had any desire to vote in the first place? What happened to doing it that way? Are people that helpless?

i'm with you 100% on this part. unless we can really refine something like "motor votor". when you get your driver's license, you register to vote. that's that unless you switch parties or move.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

We can agree on this. People with sufficent intelligence and interest to drive seem to be able to renew their driver's license as necessary or make the effort to obtain a new one when they change residences. The right and privilege to vote used to be a serious obligation to most of us and we made the effort to go to the country clerk's office to register and to make sure we re-registered each time we changed addresses. If we didn't get it done within the requisite six weeks or whatever ahead of the election, we accepted that we were out of luck. It didn't occur to us that it was anybody else's responsibility to see that we did that. And it was up to us to find out where our precinct voted and to report there on election day to vote. And we didn't have to wait weeks or months to find out who was elected and we were reasonably confident that the count was accurate.

The result was a much more informed, much more involved, much less prone to manipulation, and much less corruptible voter base.

I wish we would return to that system.

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Obama is beating down our constitutional republic, and will continue beating down our constitutional republic until it is replaced by a fascist dictatorship, or until Obama is removed from office.

Those most likely to be the true victims of Obama are currently least likely to admit to themselves that Obama is a fascist gangster who steals money and property from those who have lawfully earned it, and who gives it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

Even worse, those most likely to be the true victims of Obama are least likely to admit to themselves that Obama is a traitor to our Constitution that he took an oath that he would to the best of his ability, "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Aah ha! That explains Obama's behavior! He lacks the ability to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." Obama, an alleged former professor of constitutional law at Harvard, is purported to have said, "the Constitution only says what government cannot do, and does not say what the government can do." However, for example, in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution does say much of what government can do. In otherwords, Obama is an ignorant fool, and should be removed from office.

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what was that, ican?? can't hear ya, bud.

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@ican711nm,

Please quit sugarcoating your opinion, ican. I hate having to read between the lines when you are trying to be nice!

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Poor baby!

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Poor baby!

just messin' with ya.. ya just seem to have a constitution fixation.

hmmm... here's a question that might interest you;

http://able2know.org/topic/132315-1

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The Reps are master of voter fraud. The worst I have heard of was in the 2000 presidential race in Fl. During the recounting, Rep thugs invaded the building where it was taking place and intimidated the counters until the counting ceased. They were organized by none other than Rep. Tom DeLay, number one Rep crook.

In some precincts, Rep operatives actually went into the back offices during the vote counting. The Rep hack Sec. of State Katherine Harris would do nothing to stop this, or to make amends for it.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

The Reps are master of voter fraud. The worst I have heard of was in the 2000 presidential race in Fl. During the recounting, Rep thugs invaded the building where it was taking place and intimidated the counters until the counting ceased. They were organized by none other than Rep. Tom DeLay, number one Rep crook.

In some precincts, Rep operatives actually went into the back offices during the vote counting. The Rep hack Sec. of State Katherine Harris would do nothing to stop this, or to make amends for it.

Yes, the 'white collar riot.' An orchestrated plot to disrupt the recount process, and a successful one.

http://images.salon.com/politics/feature/2000/11/28/miami/story.jpg

The Republicans ended up flying in more than 750 party loyalists from other areas of the country to intimidate and disrupt the recount. It was a party-directed and wholly RNC planned operation. Ya never hear a single one of the Republicans here own up to this, though.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Of coarse not! They don't have any memory for conservative hanky-panky even as recent as GW Bush's tenure for eight years - and that's only five months ago!

More lies than they can shake a stick at, and got into more trouble and economic crisis since Hoover's time.

These die-hard conservatives can't see the destruction of their own party; at last count only 20% claim to be registered republicans - and it's still dropping. They can't see the problem with Limbaugh and Hannity as their party leaders.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

We can agree on this. People with sufficent intelligence and interest to drive seem to be able to renew their driver's license as necessary or make the effort to obtain a new one when they change residences. The right and privilege to vote used to be a serious obligation to most of us and we made the effort to go to the country clerk's office to register and to make sure we re-registered each time we changed addresses. If we didn't get it done within the requisite six weeks or whatever ahead of the election, we accepted that we were out of luck. It didn't occur to us that it was anybody else's responsibility to see that we did that. And it was up to us to find out where our precinct voted and to report there on election day to vote. And we didn't have to wait weeks or months to find out who was elected and we were reasonably confident that the count was accurate.

The result was a much more informed, much more involved, much less prone to manipulation, and much less corruptible voter base.

I wish we would return to that system.

I don't have any other chart than this from Wiki:

I think that
a) the trend is the same in many countries,
b) the turnout in the USA hasn't been that high compared to other counties.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I don't care if 40 or 50% of the people vote so long as they know the issues and the character/qualifications of the person they are voting for. I don't want people to vote who need to be told what box to X or what button to push and then collect their $5 or whatever for doing that. But your graphic does seem to show that the easier we have made it for people to register and vote, the less importance they put on it though it did become more important and people paid more attention after 9/11.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

The Reps are master of voter fraud. The worst I have heard of was in the 2000 presidential race in Fl. During the recounting, Rep thugs invaded the building where it was taking place and intimidated the counters until the counting ceased. They were organized by none other than Rep. Tom DeLay, number one Rep crook.

In some precincts, Rep operatives actually went into the back offices during the vote counting. The Rep hack Sec. of State Katherine Harris would do nothing to stop this, or to make amends for it.

What a crock! When you actually have evidence, let us know, Advocate, instead of mere Democratic propaganda.

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@Foxfyre,

You are kidding, right? How does any voter know how any president is going to turn out? You have a special conservative crystal ball? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

Were you able to tell that Hirohito was going to be bad news, Cicerone Imposter?
If not, you were duller than I think you are!

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@Walter Hinteler,

I think Herr Hintler is longing for the good old days in Germany when elections were much more structured.
What Herr Hintler does not realize is that, unlike Germany, African-Americans in the USA ,who were never ever ever given any chance to become learned because of racism, and Latinos, descriminated against because of their culture, militate against large turnouts like those in Germany.

Of course, 90% of Germans are thouroughly grounded in History, Political Science and Ethics. The Germans are the intellectual elite of Europe. At least that is what they told me when I went there to visit.

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@Advocate,

Advocate bloviates but gives no evidence. ACORN members have been indicted for vote fraud and some have been convicted.

I await Advocate's proof for his unsupported blurb---
ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud
POSTED: 5:02 pm CST November 1, 2006
UPDATED: 10:25 pm CST November 1, 2006

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.

Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, a group that works to improve minority and low-income communities.

The four indicted -- Kwaim A. Stenson, Dale D. Franklin, Stephanie L. Davis and Brian Gardner -- were employed by ACORN as registration recruiters. They were each charged with two counts.

Federal indictments allege the four turned in false voter registration applications. Prosecutors said the indictments are part of a national investigation.

ACORN and Project Vote recruit and assign workers to low-income and minority neighborhoods to register people to vote.

The Kansas City Election Board told KMBC they found suspicious forms, such as seven applications from one person and an application for a dead man.

"There is some motive behind it -- this is not accidental," said Ray James with the Kansas City Election Board.

Election officials said some of the application cards had false addresses, signatures and phone numbers.

ACORN officials in Kansas City said they turned in the four people who were indicted.

"We're very happy that they were indicted," said Claudie Harris with ACORN.

Harris said ACORN workers are paid by the hour and not by the number of voter registration cards they turn in.

"When you fraudulently defraud this, that gives us a bad name and what we're trying to do a bad name," Harris said.

ACORN officials said the four indicted have been fired.

Harris said ACORN workers check every voter registration card before sending it to the Election Board.

Last month, ACORN claimed to have processed more than 35,000 voter registration applications.

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