AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Sure. Take all the time you need to retcon your posting history.

Of course. We point out errors in what you say is true and we are only "nattering." Why is the truth not important to you Fox? Could it be because there is truth and then there is what you want to be truth?

Whatever Parados. I suppose just like beauty, truth is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer to discuss ideas, concepts, impressions, facts, what's in the news, etc. rather than other members. I'm just not in the mood for nitpicking or silly schoolyard insults or challenges today. Thank you very much for understanding.

You make claims you can't even support from your own posts. Pretty sad and expected.

I double your

Right.. Sure you do Fox...

I'll concede that I don't have your nearly limitless capacity to remember things that didn't happen.


Certainly you wouldn't ask me to provide links to posts that you never made, would you?


I suppose calling someone dishonest might be an ad hominem if the accuser didn't provide evidence for the accusation and the topic of conversation wasn't the accused's dishonesty.


Nattering isn't your game? My dear Foxfyre, if nattering were money your portrait would be on the five dollar bill.

This has been positively entrenched in our legal system. Witness the actions of the authorities in New Haven, Conn Re the firefighter promotion exam. No Blacks scored high enough to qualify for promotion ,therefore, those in power nullified the exam results for all concerned in order to avoid a definite legal action by the black examinees. What they got was legal action from an Italian-American dyslexic who had quit his second job, depriving his family of the extra income, hired a friend and tutor (at his own expense for at least a year) to put all 300 some books, (official reccomened reading for the exam) on audio tape, and devoted most of his free time towards such study--he qualified. He had invested in his and his family's future and got, what is fast becoming, the just deserts of all Americans that strive to better themselves thru their own industry--screwed.

JM

Hey JM. Welcome back. I've missed you. I was afraid the numbnuts had run you off as they have so many others.

By PC I was thinking more in the sense of traditional American values that have been declared un-PC and are no longer acceptable. Such as Miss California being accused of being a bigot and a gay-basher because she believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. A pro-life person is accused of wanting to enslave women. If you are pro-enforcement of immigration laws, you're racist. Etc. etc. It is Big Brother thought/mind control with consequences for those who are not properly "trained" so that they conform. It becomes dangerous when there are those who assume authority to enforce it in material ways or those who presume to give a mandate to enforce it to judges in the court or other people in positions of power.

Affirmative Action as you described it is a cousin of the thought/mind control police. No longer is equality of opportunity sufficient but the new Affirmative Action requires equality of outcome regardless of qualifications or credentials. It is racist in that it separates out groups of people no differently than they were separated out to be segregated or to be slaves.

As you illustrated, the real tragedy is that nobody consigned to such 'inferior' or 'protected class' can presume to escape it and be accepted on the merits of his/her honorable achievements. Or those who do can be shot down if their fellows don't make the grade.

The most intolerant people in our society now are those who demand tolerance of others.

joe, If it was just nattering, Foxie wouldn't have many problems, but when you add inconsistency, it borders on useless and unsupported trivia.

Here's a clearer post of the results of Carter, Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, and Bush43 presidencies.

Unemployment Rates, Income tax Rates, Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, and GDP, for
Carter, Reagan, Bush41, Clinton, & Bush 43.

RELEVANT LINKS:
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/lf/aat1.txt
Unemployed Table 1942 to 2008
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2051527/posts
Highest and lowest Income Tax Rates 1913 to 2007
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf
Table 1.1 Summary of Budget Receipts Outlays Surpluses or Deficits, 1789-2012 (in millions of dollars)
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TablePrint.asp?FirstYear=1965&LastYear=2008&Freq=Year&SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&MaxValue=14412.8&MaxChars=8&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Legal=&Land=
Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf
Surplus or Deficit

CARTER: results at end of 1976 and 1980
Unemployment decreased from 7.7% to 7.1%.
Income tax rates constant 14% min & 70% max to 14% min & 70% max.
Revenues increased from 298.1 billion to 517.1 billion.
Outlays increased from 371.8 billion to 590.9 billion.
Deficits increased from 73.7 billion to 73.8 billion.
GDP increased from 1,825.3 billion to 2,789.5 billion.

REAGAN: results at end of 1980 and 1988
Unemployment decreased from 7.1% to 5.5%.
Income tax rates decreased from 14% min & 70% max to 15% min & 33% max.
Revenues increased from 517.1 billion to 909.3 billion.
Outlays increased from 590.9 billion to 1,064.5 billion.
Deficits increased from 73.8 billion to 155.2 billion.
GDP increased from 2,789.5 billion to 5,103.8 billion.

BUSH 41: results at end of 1988 and 1992
Unemployment increased from 5.5% to 7.5%.
Income tax rates decreased from 15% min & 33% max to 15% min & 31% max.
Revenues increased from 909.3 billion to 1,091.3 billion.
Outlays increased from 1,064.5 billion to 1,381.6 billion.
Deficits increased from 155.2 billion in 1988, to 290.3 billion in 1992.
GDP increased from 5,103.8 billion in 1988, to 6,337.7 billion in 1992.

CLINTON: results at end of 1992 and 2000
Unemployment decreased from 7.5% to 4.0%.
Income tax rates increased from 15% min & 31% max to 15% min & 39.6% max.
Revenues increased from 1,091.3 billion to 2,025.5 billion.
Outlays increased from 1,381.6 billion to 1,789.2 billion.
Deficits DECREASED from 290.3 billion to 236.2 billion SURPLUS.
GDP increased from 6,337.7 billion to 9,817.0 billion.

BUSH 43: results at end of 2000 and 2008
Unemployment increased from 4.0% to 7.2%.
Income tax rates decreased from 15% min & 39.6% max to 10% min & 35% max .
Revenues increased from 2,025.5 billion to 2,524.3 billion.
Outlays increased from 1,789.2 billion to 2,982.9 billion.
Deficits increased from 236.2 billion to 458.5 billion.
GDP increased from 9,817.0 billion to 14,280.7 billion.


Obama so far, has far worse to show for his presidency after less than 4 months. I guess he's more effective as the "only one standing between [us] and a pitchfork" than the others were!

Obama is stealing money and property from those people and organizations that lawfully earned them, and giving that money and property to those who have not lawfully earned them.

Obama must be lawfully removed from the presidency before he beats up our constitutional republic to the point it can no longer be rescued.

Fox - the irony here is that you smear political correctness, and yet here you are on a2k everyday rambling about the political correctness and incorrectness of what your ideology should be praised for and criticism it is immune from.

It is an irony too fit for you.

Calling someone who oppresses others from having the same rights that they do is a bigot. This has been true long before the phrase "politically correct" and will carry on long after it is no longer used. For that matter it is even more ironic that the only argument from political correctness that is made is the one in your head. Who are these invisible liberals you are quoting? What is PC is now the favorite strawman of the republican in a shallow attempt to apply some sort of principle to their political leanings.

It has been your honor to come here to A2K and demonstrate time and time again not only your intellectual deficit, but that of your twisted hypocritical mantra. You only embarrass yourself, and clear any doubts about right-wing nutjobs.


Poor Lincoln, somehow a great man of such wisdom falls in the shadow of Ronald Reagan as the GOP icon.

You're a dying breed, and good riddance. I'll tell stories to my kids about people like you to make them laugh.

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To make them laugh and cry at the same time.

Quite evident by witnessing the goings on at the Whitehouse Correspondents Dinner. Among other things, the so-called comedian wishing Limbaugh would die, comparing him to Osama Bin Laden, and Obama laughing. This is our president, folks. We are in real trouble.

And the most tolerant among us kills the unwanted child. Now that is real tolerance!

Change you can believe in!

Diest TKO shows his complete ignorance concerning "political correctness". If Diest TKO had done some serious study he would know that the left wing is truly intolerant.
Below is the list of the left wing intolerances on campus according to the National Association of Scholars--my comments in parenthesis.

l. A willingness to admit students widely disparate in their levels of preparation in order to make the campus demographically representative( African-American Affirmative Action graduates of American Law Schools invaribly come from the bottom of the class rank)

2.Preferential hiring for faculty and staff positionss determined by race, ethnicity and gender(Lesbian Black Handicapped Puerto Rican Females trump all other candidates. Diest TKO probably thinks this is a good idea but intellectual and scholarly achievements must be the only criterion for Universities which want to achieve true scholarship)

3. Punitive codes restricting "insensitive" speech. ( The left wing, which prides itself on its tolerance is really fascistic in this regard and puts Joseph Goebbels' control of Nazi newspapers to shame).

It is obvious ,Diest TKO,that you know nothing about "political cirrectness" and what it really means. The left prates about "diversity" yet does not allow any viewpoint which does not adhere to the Nazi like strictures of the left.

Cicerone Imposter wrote:

joe, If it was just nattering, Foxie wouldn't have many problems, but when you add inconsistency, it borders on useless and unsupported trivia.

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Anyone who reads Foxfyre must agree that even if they do not accept her positions they are not , as Cicerone says--"Useless and unsupported trivia". On the other hand, almost all will concur with the fact that Cicerone can be classified as highly excrementitious>

Advocate---"Peanuts"???? You give no data or proof. Are you lazy or just incompetent?
Re-read the indictment against ACORN--the outfit that BO worked with when he was a community organizer in the ghetto. ACORN is largely made up of inner-city gang bangers and hangers on who are experts in crime and vote fraud.

In order to further your education, Advocate, I will follow the Nevada Prosecutions of ACORN very closely.

By the way, who the hell is Abramoff?