AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Cycloptichorn,

The real key for me is all the Bush lies. How does anybody continue to believe what Bush says when we know he lied so many times. It's not even at rocket science level; he's repeated lies over and over.

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@cicerone imposter,

BREAKING NEWS: Arlen Specter is switching party to become a democrat.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

BREAKING NEWS: Arlen Specter is switching party to become a democrat.

Really? I had read he might...

Cycloptichorn

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@Diest TKO,

No I only have to ante up if I take a bet. I didn't. I don't take stupid childish bets that impose unreasonable punishment on either party. I only bet with friends or at the casino. If you want me to leave all you have to do is put me on ignore and I go away and never come back.

I would, however, openly beg your forgiveness for an incorrect suspicion (assuming that it is incorrect) if you will apologize for all the hateful and incorrect things you have inferred or stated about me and to me and refrain from further such activity. That seems more than fair. If you continue such activity, however, I'll simply go back to ignoring you. That is also fair. As I said, I do this for enjoyment, and dealing with juvenile hatefulness and insults is not enjoyable for me and I choose not to deal in it. For the most part, not always, I have been successful.

I did offer to meet you and will still do so if it is possible and you are willing when I am in DC later this year. However Cyclop has refused to meet me when I am in his area as in his opinion "I am not a very good person", so you may want to be really careful about that too. I will continue to pray for you, however, and wish the very best for you both regardless.

Do have a great day.

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@Foxfyre,

I'm not looking to fight with you, Fox. But it's ridiculous, this presumption that people who disagree with you and agree with each other are in fact the same person.

Your apology should be independent of what others do... if it's heartfelt.

Cycloptichorn

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Slippin' and Sliddin':

Fewer Voters Identify as Republicans
Democrats Now Have the Advantage in "Swing" States

The balance of party identification in the American electorate now favors the Democratic Party by a decidedly larger margin than in either of the two previous presidential election cycles.

In 5,566 interviews with registered voters conducted by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press during the first two months of 2008, 36% identify themselves as Democrats, and just 27% as Republicans.

The share of voters who call themselves Republicans has declined by six points since 2004, and represents, on an annualized basis, the lowest percentage of self-identified Republican voters in 16 years of polling by the Center.

The Democratic Party has also built a substantial edge among independent voters. Of the 37% who claim no party identification, 15% lean Democratic, 10% lean Republican, and 12% have no leaning either way.

By comparison, in 2004 about equal numbers of independents leaned toward both parties. When "leaners" are combined with partisans, however, the Democratic Party now holds a 14-point advantage among voters nationwide (51% Dem/lean-Dem to 37% Rep/lean-Rep), up from a three-point advantage four years ago.

Despite these trends, the proportion of voters who identify with the Democratic Party outright has not increased in recent years. Currently, 36% say they think of themselves as a Democrat, virtually unchanged from 2004 (35%) and 2000 (35%). Instead, as the proportion of self-identified Republicans has decreased, the percentage of independents has grown substantially, from 32% in 2004 to 37% today.

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@Lightwizard,

Do you think an opposition-proof majority is a good thing? Do you like spending more than a trillion dollars a quarter? Do you want to see government continue to expand and grow until you have no say at all over your own destiny? Do you really don't care if the Constitution is eventually declared null and void and is replaced by courts who have undisputed power to say what you must accept and what you won't be allowed to oppose? Do you don't care if it is government that determines how much of your own labor you can use for your own desires? Do you trust the government to have your interests at heart more than you do yourself?

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@Cycloptichorn,

See? You even answer as if the comment was directed at you. And you wonder why people wonder.

But I will be enjoying myself when I choose to do so whether you like it or not Cyclop. And I'll pray for you and wish the very best for you too.

You have a great day too.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

See? You even answer as if the comment was directed at you. And you wonder why people wonder.

I know quite well the comment wasn't directed at me. But, I do have some interest in this conversation, as you made accusations about my identity. Don't you recall?

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

OMG, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

The fact that the Republican party is destroying itself doesn't equate to an opposition proof majority. There are more independents than democrats and a new party could well create opposition. Of course that would mean the GOP would have to go away. Do you trust yourself enough to not vote GOP Fox?

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@parados,

The Republican party has indeed serously damaged itself. You might want to review the opening post for this thread. My opinion about that has not changed. What has changed is confidence that the GOP will be able to clean up its act and regain the trust of its MAC base. If it cannot, a third party may be our only option to have any voice at all.

Getting Arlen Spector, one of the GOP's most irritating RINOs out of the party will be an improvement, however, though it is regrettable that the turncoat is handing the Democrats a filibuster proof majority and now there is nothing to keep it from doing its worst to the American people. Spector did correctly vote with the GOP on some key issues.

Nobody will convince me that he is doing this for any reason other than to keep Arlen Spector in his Senate seat, however. Strength of conviction about much of anything has not been one of this strong suits.

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@Foxfyre,

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I would, however, openly beg your forgiveness for an incorrect suspicion (assuming that it is incorrect) if you will apologize for all the hateful and incorrect things you have inferred or stated about me and to me and refrain from further such activity. That seems more than fair.

Fairness is all relative I guess.

So if someone else apologizes for ALL the things they said you will apologize for ONE thing. I am sure that seems fair to you Fox. But it certainly doesn't have an appearance of fairness to anyone that isn't Foxfyre. It looks like a selfish request that ignores your own actions.

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@parados,

Okay, that's a reasonable observation. I will apologize for anything unkind or incorrect that I have ever said about TKO if he will do the same and refrain from repeating the offenses. Of course it will still be really lopsided as he will have much much more to apologize for, but that's the best I can do. If he agrees, he won't have any concern that I'll say anything unkind to him as I never have except when provoked by him. So if he stops provoking. . . .

There's your challenge though TKO. Will you accept it?

You want me to pray for you too, Parados?

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Obama's budget for the 8 years, 2009 through 2016, predicts a total deficit of more than $6,789 billion. Bush's total budget deficit for the 8 years, 2001 through 2008, was less than $1,962 billion.

Therefore Obama's projected 8 year budget deficit is 3.46 (i.e., $6,789/$1,962 )times Bush's actual 8 year deficit .

On a SIMPLISTIC SCALE 0 to 100 measured on the basis of the size of actual or predicted deficits, if Bush is a 10, then Obama is 3.46 times that, or 34.6.

That clearly means Obama is much more than 3 times as SIMPLISTIC as was Bush! AND, Obama is threatening to increase his projected budget even more!

The TEA PARTY attendees understand this, and understand that Obama's administration must be ended as soon as lawfully permissible.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Quote:

I would, however, openly beg your forgiveness for an incorrect suspicion (assuming that it is incorrect) if you will apologize for all the hateful and incorrect things you have inferred or stated about me and to me and refrain from further such activity. That seems more than fair.

Fairness is all relative I guess.

So if someone else apologizes for ALL the things they said you will apologize for ONE thing. I am sure that seems fair to you Fox. But it certainly doesn't have an appearance of fairness to anyone that isn't Foxfyre. It looks like a selfish request that ignores your own actions.

Careful now Parados, Fox might think you are me as well.

Fox - As I have laid out, you've chosen your path. You choose to back down from the bet, but elected not to admit you are wrong or apologize.

This was in the dishonorable column. You've defined yourself a coward without honor. Well done.

T
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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Okay, that's a reasonable observation. I will apologize for anything unkind or incorrect that I have ever said about TKO if he will do the same and refrain from repeating the offenses. Of course it will still be really lopsided as he will have much much more to apologize for, but that's the best I can do. If he agrees, he won't have any concern that I'll say anything unkind to him as I never have except when provoked by him. So if he stops provoking. . . .

There's your challenge though TKO. Will you accept it?

No fox. I don't entertain the challenges of dishonorable cowards. I would have gladly accepted had you taken me up on my challenge or had backed down with dignity. You chose not to.

I guess you have some time still to take up my offer or bow out with some grace.

Countdown...

5

T
K
O

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@Diest TKO,

Okay, I take that as a no, you will not be a man and do the honorable and reasonable thing to achieve peace even though it would cost you absolutely nothing. I suppose you won't do the next honorable thing and put me on ignore either though I would be very grateful if you would do so. It is certainly your right to continue to go out of your way to say false and unkind things to and about me, but it is also my right to ignore you, and I will do my very best to do so.

But I wish you no ill, and I will pray for you, and I do wish you the very best.

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Both Bush’s and Obama’s budgets include on budget and off budget costs. In particular, both budgets include the costs of USA military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama is forecasting a deficit over his 8 year term of office, 2009 thru 2016, of $6,789 billion, or more than 3 times Bush’s 2001 thru 2008 deficit of $1,962 billion, in order to rescue the USA’s economy.

Obama and his supporters are simpletons. They have chosen to solve the problems created by Bush’s excessive spending and lending and rescue the USA’s economy, by INCREASING instead of decreasing that excessive spending and lending.

However, IF they do not want to rescue the USA's economy and instead want to replace our economy with something else, THEN they are simpletons plus something else!

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@Foxfyre,

Quote:

Of course it will still be really lopsided as he will have much much more to apologize for, but that's the best I can do. If he agrees, he won't have any concern that I'll say anything unkind to him as I never have except when provoked by him. So if he stops provoking. . . .

Of course, you only did it when YOU were provoked Fox. I suppose it makes you feel better to make that excuse but it doesn't ring true to anyone else. It sounds like a 5 year old in the back seat. "He hit me first." I doubt you accepted that as an excuse from your own children or from those you claim to teach. Why do you think we should accept it from you?

Don't worry, I have an aunt who prays for me. If you want, I can ask her to pray for you too. After all, someone that blames others for the bad things they do probably needs someone to pray for their salvation.

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@ican711nm,

ican,
You have been TOLD this repeatedly and still don't seem to get it.
The 2009 budget is Bush's

Let me repeat in BIG LETTERS so you can't miss it.

The federal Budget for 2009 was SIGNED by BUSH

It seems Bush forgot to factor a LOT into his 2009 budget. Things like a war, a recession and the bailout money he asked for from Congress. Your numbers fail to account for those from Bush.

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