AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

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http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/STIMULUS_FINAL_0217.html
Totals ($Billions)
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the cost of carrying out the programs and tax cuts in the economic stimulus package is likely to be slightly less than the amount of money authorized by the bill.

Description ... Funds allocated ... Estimated cost
...
Food and farming $26,466 ... $26,431
Commerce, justice and science $15,920 ... $15,810
Defense $4,555 $4,531
Energy and the environment $50,825 ... $50,775
Government $6,858 ... $6,707
Homeland security $2,755 ... $2,744
Outdoors, Indian reservations and the arts $10,950 ... $10,545
Labor and volunteering, healthcare and social services, education, social security $72,564 ... $71,271
Oversight* $25 ... $25
Military and veterans $4,281 ... $4,246
Foreign relations $602 ... $602
Transportation and housing $61,795 ... $61,051
Aid to states $53,600 ... $53,600
Tax cuts $301,278 ... $288,482
Individual aid $45,788 ... $58,143
Individual healthcare aid $24,749 ... $24,677
Health IT $17,559 ... $17,559
Aid to states for Medicaid $90,044 ... $90,042
...... $790,614 ... $787,241

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@ican711nm,

OH MY GOSH, PARDON ME!

OBAMA'S BUDGET DEFICIT PROJECTIONS IN $BILLIONS
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf
2008= 459
2009= 1752
2010= 1171
2011= 912
2012= 581
2013= 583
2014= 570
2015= 583
2016= 637
2017= 636
2018= 634
2019= 712
ACTUAL TOTAL = 9,230
BUSH'S 8 YR TOTAL = 1,962
ACTUAL TOTAL / BUSH'S 8 YEAR TOTAL = 4.70
NOT 5.0 AS I PREVIOUSLY ESTIMATED

So, I guess that means that on a simpleton scale 0 to 100, GHB = 10 and BHO = 47

By the way, Whitehouse's estimated Total = 6,969 (Do they have problems with addition?)

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Old clip is spot on! Reagan is dead, and the GOP is close to it. LOL

reagan. i voted for that guy. so what? that was then , this is now.

i don't understand the conservative mind's need to view the world in the rear view mirror.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Maybe for the same reason that your side so often brings up Clinton and Roosevelt et al. Perhaps you've heard the old maxim that those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it?

Even a blind monkey could not fail to see the parallels between what Reagan was dealing wtih then and what is still being proposed today. Perhaps if our leaders did not continually bring up what has been rejected in the past, it wouldn't be so important to revisit that history.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

It also illustrates how Reagan got around a strongly Democratically controlled Congress that had little sympathy for his agenda.

If I remember correctly, you've recently been arguing that Republicans were out of power once they lost the majority in Congress. Your argument was, I think, that it was impossible for Bush to get around a strongly Democratically controlled Congress that had little sympathy for his agenda.

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@old europe,

Yes it was. Bush was no Reagan and the Democrats we now mostly have in Congress are far more left and extremist in their views than those of the 1980's.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Perhaps you've heard the old maxim that those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it?

Both the conservative movement and the GOP are in their death throes today because their proponents have not learned from history. Unless they are willing to learn from their failures, change their oppressive positions on social issues, and embrace young voters and minorities, their defeat at the polls will be repeated over and over again.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Precisely my point; their future looks grim so they look back to Reagan. I probably voted for Reagan too, and I was still a registered republican. The republican glory days are long gone. Bush was good at destroying more than the party.

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

Both the conservative movement and the GOP are in their death throes today because their proponents have not learned from history.

The Conservative movement and the GOP are now being rapidly resusitated by the TEA PARTIES. Why? Bacause the TEA PARTIES have in fact learned from history and are in the process of teaching that history to the Conservative movement and the GOP. Furthermore the Liberal movement and the CODs (i.e., Collectivist Old Democrats) have not learned from history and are daily amplifying their emulaions of historical failures. Their ever growing hysteria in their spending and disassembling of the USA's Constitutional Republic is strong evidence that the CODs are simpletons.

OLD TRUTHS STAY YOUNG!
--Old falsities grow older.

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@ican711nm,

You are the one that seems to have some problems with numbers ican..

You include 12 years for Obama to compare to the 8 years of Bush. Are you planning on Obama being in office for that long?

The WH numbers don't use 12 years to get their totals. Their numbers are correct for the years they use.

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The tea party message is as confused as the republican party. They cry about taxes being too high, but Obama will provide most with tax cuts. If they are complaining about the huge deficit, why didn't they speak up when Bush kept increasing the national debt during all eight years under the republicans? What did we get in return for all those Bush spending and huge deficits?

At least Obama is spending tax dollars to help Americans (to save the banks and stop the blood-letting of job loss); a whole new concept in running our government compared to Bush.

Not only that, but many of those tea parties turned out to be racist demonstrations against our president that only brought shame to our country.

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@ican711nm,

Quote:

OBAMA'S BUDGET DEFICIT PROJECTIONS IN $BILLIONS
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf
2008= 459

So Obama was in office in 2008 according to your numbers here ican? On the simpleton scale, you seem to be trying to be more of one than either Bush or Obama. History doesn't seem to be your strong suit based on your use of numbers ican.

You do realize that budget years for the US go from Oct to the following Sept, don't you, so when you use the numbers, it isn't for the calender year but for the fiscal year.

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@cicerone imposter,

One sample of the racist tea party signs.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/3447015256_efc3c51f14.jpg?v=0

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@ican711nm,

You have a problem with your math, but I agree the numbers are absolutely disgusting. I will be complaining about them for the next 4 years (hopefully not 8 if this mess keeps up).

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Maybe for the same reason that your side so often brings up Clinton and Roosevelt et al. Perhaps you've heard the old maxim that those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it?

my side....
you did catch that i had voted for reagan? voted for ford, too. met nixon. blah, blah, blah...

roosevelt, ehhh, just a little bit before my time.

clinton, i thought he did pretty good on many things. but, like dutch, that was then and this is now.

things change. just the way it is.

Even a blind monkey could not fail to see the parallels between what Reagan was dealing wtih then and what is still being proposed today. Perhaps if our leaders did not continually bring up what has been rejected in the past, it wouldn't be so important to revisit that history.

okay. eep, eep ,eep. ehh-ehh a hubahuba.
mind naming a couple of those parallel thingies for your humble monkey?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Yes, I caught that you voted for Reagan, but you must not have been paying attention then or know what he was about or you would KNOW those parallels and wouldn't be asking for somebody to explain them to you. If you listen to his speech on that clip, you will hear them. The same themes that we hear from those who do not want socialized medicine now. The same themes re not giving up our freedom of choice, options, opportunities and what we risk if we do. The same themes we heard from most of those tea parties that those on the Left so scorn and misrepresent now.

The tea parties were not anti-tax parties so much as anti-big government, anti-government intrusion, anti-increased authoritarian, anti-irresponsible government. None of those people mind paying their fair share of taxes that are necessary to operate the government. They do mind the government taking over more and more things that should be left to the people to do and charging the people to do it.

But if the Left refuses to allow us to look back to see what there is to praise, then the Left should be intellectually honest and not be constantly looking back to find somebody to blame.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

But if the Left refuses to allow us to look back to see what there is to praise, then the Left should be intellectually honest and not be constantly looking back to find somebody to blame.

oh. like the right does every chance it gets to praise the good things that were done by roosevelt or clinton ?

please. this is a made up partisan "issue". or non-issue actually.

but then i kinda take after my grandpa in this respect; when people would start talking about the good old days, his reply was "these days are the good old days".

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@parados,

The BHO (i.e., Barach H. Obama) projected deficits for 2018 and 2019 are carry-overs from the preceding BHO preceding budgets. So BHO will have caused them too, regardless who follows him.

BHO BUDGET DEFICIT PROJECTIONS
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf
2008 459
2009 1752
2010 1171
2011 912
2012 581
2013 583
2014 570
2015 583 MYTOTAL........BHO'sTOTAL
2016 637 2009-17............2009-17
2017 636 6789..................6969
2018 634
2019 712
TOTAL BHO's DEFICIT 2008-19 = 9230....2009-17 = 6789
TOTAL GWB'S DEFICIT 2001-08 = .. 1962................1962
BHO's DEFICIT TOTAL/GWB's DEFICIT TOTAL = 4.70.......3.46

On the Simpleton Scale, 0 to 100, where GWB is a 10, BHO is WORSE, and is either a 34.6, or a 47.

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@ican711nm,

Your comparisons are idiotic at best. Bush left our economy in a shambles, and it will cost trillions to get it back on track.

What you should figure out are the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that Bush left for future presidents to find solutions for. Don't forget to add all the dead military in your figures in addition to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

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@cicerone imposter,

Whats racist about that? Apparently, relatives in Africa say he was born there. The sign is only pointing that out, as there has been some question about his birth place by some people, including his own relatives.

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