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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
old europe
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 12:52 pm

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:03 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Fox News and its resident lunatics, Hannity and Beck (crazy and crazier), are the nation's misinformation incendiary agents. They are inflaming the anti-government delusions of right wing extremist wackos and inspiring them to become domestic terrorists.


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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:09 pm
@Foxfyre,


I understand that you're angry because Holder believes that we ought to talk more about race relations in this country. You simply deny that you're racist when all the evidence points to the contrary. Case in point:

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When Jenean Garofalo appeared on the Keith Olbermann show and stated her opinion that the tea parties were a platform for racism, your FOX hero Hannity carried on a hypocritical whinefest, claimed that NBC lacked journalistic integrity, and demanded an apology. The mindless incoherent people whom Hannity exploits, the conservative teabaggers, have the right to protest, but no one else has a co-equal right to talk about the racism that we all witnessed. Conservatives don't want to talk about racism--they want to sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist (even when they're marching around with racist signs in their hands)--and that makes them the cowards that Holder decried.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:11 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law, the absentee, wrote:
Your conservative movement placed thousands of ignorant people holding vile, racist signs on camera, you trumpet their right to protest under the First Amendment, and then you denigrate all others who exercise their co-equal right under the First Amendment to state what they saw and heard. Oh no, you argue: we didn't really see and hear what we actually saw and heard--we're getting our information from "dishonestly vile" sources.


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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:11 pm
@old europe,
Thanks for the pictorial record of the modern conservative movement. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Hannity owes Jenean Garofalo an apology.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:14 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Debra Law wrote:
Fox News and its resident lunatics, Hannity and Beck (crazy and crazier), are the nation's misinformation incendiary agents. They are inflaming the anti-government delusions of right wing extremist wackos and inspiring them to become domestic terrorists.


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Review the pictorial posted above. They're threatening an armed revolution against our black president. And FOX News, Hannity, and Beck are throwing gas on that fire as fast as they can.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:31 pm
TEA PARTY OPPOSITION TO OBAMA
has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's skin color. It has ONLY to do with what he is advocating and what he is doing.

It is the Obamacrats, otherwise now known as OAs (i.e., Obama Advocates) who are racists.

The OAs accuse ALL those who oppose what Obama advocates and what Obama is doing of being racists, when in fact those the OAs accuse of racism are opposed to racism in all its rotten stinking putrid mind rotting forms.



ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 01:37 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law, a racist, wrote:
They're threatening an armed revolution against our black president. And FOX News, Hannity, and Beck are throwing gas on that fire as fast as they can.


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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:02 pm
@ican711nm,
Debra says THAT and Napolitano is out looking for RIGHTWING radical extremists?

But you're right. Only a pure racist or the most narrow minded prejudiced bigot would attach race to a non-racist criticism of the President or anybody else.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:02 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

TEA PARTY OPPOSITION TO OBAMA
has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's skin color. It has ONLY to do with what he is advocating and what he is doing.

It is the Obamacrats, otherwise now known as OAs (i.e., Obama Advocates) who are racists.

The OAs accuse ALL those who oppose what Obama advocates and what Obama is doing of being racists, when in fact those the OAs accuse of racism are opposed to racism in all its rotten stinking putrid mind rotting forms.



In other words, you ignored the pictoral evidence (some of which is posted above) that contradicts your statement. The racism, in all of its rotten stinking putrid mind rotting forms, was smeared all over the protest signs being waved about at the GOP/conservative movement tea parties. Yet you pretend like you don't see them. That says a lot more than anything you post.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:06 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Debra Law, a person who can see and hear, wrote:
They're threatening an armed revolution against our black president. And FOX News, Hannity, and Beck are throwing gas on that fire as fast as they can.


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Open your eyes and read the writing on the signs:

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Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:12 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Debra says THAT and Napolitano is out looking for RIGHTWING radical extremists?

But you're right. Only a pure racist or the most narrow minded prejudiced bigot would attach race to a non-racist criticsm of the President.



In addition to displaying ignorance, many were threatening armed violence and insurrection against the government. The tea parties brought out the disturbing whackos. You cannot deny that the tea parties were a platform for hate-mongering and racism. The pictures don't lie. No matter how many times you try to slip your fear-mongering, racist shoe on my foot, it doesn't fit. It belongs to you.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I can understand how it looks, and I have never denied that.
But, you are about my age (or older) and I dont ever remember liberals or dems taking to the streets when a dem president did something they dont like.
I'm not saying that it never happened, but I sure dont remember it ever happening.

What really bugs me is the charge that everyone that took part is a racist.
I have seen the pics OE posted, and I am disgusted by them, as every normal person should be.
But I seriously doubt if those are representative of everyone that took part, or even a majority.
If the press did what they usually do, they looked for those pics to make the whole group look bad.
After all, look how they cover the rioters at the WTO protests.
A small group of people were there to cause trouble, but if all you watched was the press said, it was everyone there that was doing the rioting and causing all of the destruction.
Remember, the sensational sells.
If all the press covered was the people that had legitimate complaints, it wouldnt sell papers.

Surely you cant honestly believe that everyone involved was racist, can you.
Do I think the protests will actually accomplish anything?
No, I dont.
But if they get the attention of the people in power, thats a start.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:16 pm
@Debra Law,
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The tea parties brought out the disturbing whackos. You cannot deny that the tea parties were a platform for hate-mongering and racism


And the million man march brought out racists, and so does every other street protest, no matter who or what is being protested.
EVERY protest brings out the trouble-makers and the racists and those that want to display their hate.
That does not mean that they are representative of everyone, or that they are in any way connected to the original reason for the protest.
If you were honest, you would admit that.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:32 pm
Yup, OE and all the other leftwing radicals can go to all the rabid, hateful leftwing sites and copy the cherry picked signs--those sites ignored the thousands and thousands of signs that were respectful and non offensive of course. Our local rally would not permit any signs that were offensive and I imagine that most of the rallies across the country did not.

I can guarantee you that I can post 50 or 60 offensive signs from all your rallies over the last eight years for every one you can find from the tea parties.

I'm sure that OE has posted lots and lots of signs like the following that we endured for eight years. Being the impartial, fair minded person that he is, he certainly saw these as offensive and illustrative of the kind of people who would carry them too. I'm sure he has posted dozens of them to make his point about that.

Here's what the leftwing thought appropriate for their rallies:

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There are certainly hundeds and hundreds if not thousands more.

But perhaps we might now get back to discussing concepts and leave the schoolyard nonsense for another thread?
Debra Law
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:37 pm
Teabaggers: Suckers who zealously allow others to exploit their ignorance and proud of it.

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So, to sum up:

1. People who make far less than 250K per year, whose tax rates will be cut, spent Wednesday out in public demanding that Obama stop increasing their taxes. They proudly marched and defiantly yelled and etc., etc., insisting with waved signs and shaken fists on their opposition to something that is not the case. They have made it their business to prevent something from happening that was never going to happen in the first place--and they mean it!

2. These same people, whose economic and physical well-being are a matter of supreme indifference to the richest families in America, have been persuaded to insist on policies that will only benefit the richest families in America. There is a term for these people, and it isn't "right-wing" or "conservative" or "patriotic" or even "Republicans." The term is "sucker." These people are suckers. They have been tricked and manipulated into working against their own interests and for the interests of people who could literally not care less about them. Their patron saint isn't Barry Goldwater or Thomas Paine or Ronald Reagan or Jesus H. Christ. It's P.T. Barnum.

3. People who would be forced into bankruptcy by an attack of appendicitis, who have no idea what "socialism" is or how it differs from "communism" or "fascism," were to be seen Wednesday out in force, self-righteously pissed off and calling Obama a socialist, a communist, and a fascist, often interchangeably. And what are their ideas about how to deal with the worst economic crisis in eighty years? "Let them go bankrupt!" Ignorance and indignation: it doesn't get any more American than that. Each of them--proud, free, unafraid to speak stupidity to power--is like a homeowner whose house is on fire and yet who refuses to let the fire fighters turn a hose on the flames because "it'll get my stuff all wet." And when the fire chief ventures the suggestion that the fire is a) going to destroy their stuff anyway, and then b) spread to other homes, he gets shut down with such wised-up, common-man arguments as, "I pay your salary!"

4. Glenn Beck--a prancing, sobbing, gibbering buffoon who will say literally anything to keep his audience's attention--has become the new spokesperson for the right. Yes, just when you thought Sean Hannity was, not only as bad as it got, but as bad as it could get, here comes the next level in televised right-wing demagoguery. Glenn Beck--whom Dickens himself would delete from a novel as being "too obvious"--is a star. As a consequence of this...

5. Rush Limbaugh has become the "de facto leader" of the right. Think about it--if you dare! Glenn Beck has accomplished the impossible. This is science fact, not science fiction: He's somehow managed to make the country's most famous sex-tourist drug-addict saloon-loudmouth hate-mongering hypocrite seem dignified and thoughtful. Glenn Beck has succeeded in bestowing gravitas on Rush Limbaugh. Still, maybe we shouldn't be surprised. When the spotlight is grabbed by the dancing monkey, the rhinoceros in the background starts to look downright serious and thoughtful.

6. Fox News, a factory of propaganda and lies on the best of days, has decided "the hell with it" and become an outright partisan fomenter of "revolution." While formerly (as a study showed during the Bush years), watching Fox News actually made one stupider, now watching it (as a follow-up will surely prove) makes one insane. During Bush, Fox News merely promulgated falsehoods. Now, during Obama, its function is to corrode its viewers' very understanding of reality itself. But what else can it do, since...

7. The devolution of the Republican Party (for which Fox News serves as Pravda) proceeds apace. The GOP, fifty years ago the Cotillion Party, is now the Toga Party Party. Newt Gingrich--hippie-dippy marital history, ethics charges and all--is newly converted to Catholicism and plotting his return. (Who said there are no third--or is it fourth?--acts in American lives?) The governor of Texas threatens to secede. (Memo to Gov. Perry: Here's your Stetson; what's your hurry? Just leave us Austin as your going-away present to us.) A senator openly talks about advising his wife to hurry down to the ATM and withdraw all their money, suggesting what in the good old days we used to call "a run on the bank." Libertarians (which is a fancy poli-sci term for "adolescents with firm political opinions about an imaginary society") threaten to "go Galt" but then somehow can't follow through. Whither the courage of the Randroids? And no one in the party of Wm. F. Buckley and Norman Podhoretz seems to know that the term "tea-bag" refers to dangling a man's genitals into someone's mouth.

This is not "the loyal opposition." This is Animal House. Every week brings a new hit single from the demonstrably unhinged Michelle Bachmann. And talk about legislation--what do these frat rats do? They release--get this--a budget with no numbers. What a goof!

8. The right-wing blogs, from the most crayon-on-paper-bags illiterate to the airy summit of the National Review, from obscure typists like Pastor Grant Swank (Google it; you'll be amazed) to the preening elite like Jonah Goldberg and Michele Malkin, have heard that funky jungle beat and formed a great writhing conga line of lunacy: having turned their brains inside-out defending the indefensible Bush (never mind Cheney) for eight years, now they say anything that comes to their fevered minds just to keep the gig and not actually have to work for a living. "Where is Obama's birth certificate?" "The Navy shot those pirates but Obama had nothing to do with it." "This tea-bag revolution--" (well-documented as having been conceived, directed, funded, and scripted by right-wing foundations)--is a marvel of spontaneous grass-roots populist grass-rootsy spontaneity!"

What does it all mean? I'm asking, reader. Is this widespread madness fun? Is it business and politics as usual? Should we derive from it nothing more than good old fashioned schadenfreude, and just pass the popcorn while watching the people who created and supported the catastrophes of the past eight years as they now wallow in their impotence and irrelevance?

Or is all this manipulated, phony "grass-roots" outrage fated to lead to some serious danger to innocent people? For every thousand citizens who gather in public to scream idiotic slogans and proudly flaunt their ignorance, how many more are laboring away in basements and garages, building bombs or assembling arsenals? How many does it take to lead to disaster?

The anger and fear of these people are real and, probably in most cases, justified, however much they misidentify their causes. That's what the Limbaughs and Hannitys and Becks depend on exploiting in order to make themselves rich and famous. But this entire cycle (rage; exploitation; more rage) seems to me worse than usual, as does its manipulation by the wealthy and their servants.

Is it? Or is all this just more publicized than it used to be? Doesn't publicizing it make it grow, and therefore make it worse? Or is it a relatively minor, if lurid, sideshow?

Should I be worried, indifferent, or vastly amused? What does it all mean?


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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:45 pm
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 02:45 pm
@Debra Law,
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Rush Limbaugh has become the "de facto leader" of the right.


I thought you said it was "Joe the Plumber".
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 03:31 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
In other words, you ignored the pictoral evidence (some of which is posted above) that contradicts your statement. The racism, in all of its rotten stinking putrid mind rotting forms, was smeared all over the protest signs being waved about at the GOP/conservative movement tea parties. Yet you pretend like you don't see them. That says a lot more than anything you post.

No, I did not ignore them. I studied each and every one of them, and came to the conclusion that each of them were critisms about Obama's competence to lead our nation, about the violations of our Constitution, and about their disgust with the damage Obama is doing to our nation. Those criticisms have absolutely zero to do with Obama's skin color, his race, or his ethnicity.

I attended a TEA PARTY in my town. About 500 signed in and a total of about 1,000 were in attendance. I saw more than 10 people near me with black skin. Some of these blacks also had signs critical of Obama,. Talking to those around me, I learned that they, as well as I, greatly admire Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, and Jesse Lee Peterson, and wish someone like them were our President..

One woman asked in loud frustration: "Why in damn hell didn't the Democrats nominate someone like those guys? Why are the democrats always supporting those blacks who are fools who undermine black achievers?" Then she answered her own questions. She said, "That's because the Democrats go for show instead of for know!"

Those white OAs (i.e., Obama Advocates) are clearly racist bigots, who accuse those whites--who think Obama unfit to be President--are racists.

Keep it up, you racists! You will help us recruit far more people, white and black, to join TEA PARTIES when they learn of your disgusting racist behavior.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2009 03:42 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
No, I did not ignore them. I studied each and every one of them, and came to the conclusion that each of them were critisms about Obama's competence to lead our nation, about the violations of our Constitution, and about their disgust with the damage Obama is doing to our nation. Those criticisms have absolutely zero to do with Obama's skin color, his race, or his ethnicity.


I must 100% disagree with you.
The pics the were posted, even though they were cherrypicked to show the worst of the protests, were racist for the most part.

The pics that depicted Obama as Hitler, the pics that questioned his birthplace, the pic that said "white slaves" were extremely racist.

There is no way that those pics can be justified, under any circumstances.
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