AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Foxfyre,

Foxie, Please show us more; it only proves that the demonstrations against Bush were true 100%, while the radicals on the extreme right are racial bigots and hate mongers. Your true colors are now coming out in droves. "You people" have no idea what America is all about.

It went underground for a very short while after the Palin-McCain campaign, but it's now out in the open.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre posts scary pics of leftwing radicalism. Here's an example:

http://www.tanbou.com/2003/summer/AntiBushDemonstrators.jpg

Foxfyre thinks people who protested Bush's unjustified war are rabid threats to America. BTW, Foxy, did Bush ever find those weapons of mass destruction? One time he was looking for them under a table. He thought it was funny. Perhaps that's because he knew those alleged WMDs never existed in the first place, yet it was so easy to pull the wool over his ignorant conservative supporters who so easily fell for his boogeyman story.

Foxfyre wrote:

But perhaps we might now get back to discussing concepts and leave the schoolyard nonsense for another thread?

When you make thousands of posts discussing the allegedly evil ACORN or the "domestic terrorist" Ayers, that's "grown up" talk. But when others post a few unflattering pictures of your beloved whackos in all their racist, fear-mongering glory, that's schoolyard nonsense? I can't believe that you don't recognize how ridiculous you get sometimes. But please continue your campaign of misinformation. It's amusing.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre,

you've been making lots of posts making ex cathedra claims what these tea parties were about, and what they were not. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but the same thing obviously goes for all the people who actually attended those protests. If these people think that calling Obama a socialist pig, a Muslim or Hitler is the way to go, then that's what they get out of those demonstrations.

You, on the other hand, can obviously choose to either deny that that's why people went there, or you can simply speak up and declare that that's not your opinion. Remember the discussion we had where your argument was that all Muslims - even those who didn't share any kinds of radical beliefs - were at least guilty of enabling the radicals by refusing to speak up against them? Well, this case here is similar.

I also notice that rather than speaking out and declaring - like mysteryman - that some of the signs and some of the statements made by the protesters were actually quite disgusting, you rather decide to engage in what-aboutery, you point to anti-Bush demonstrations, you post pictures from anti-war demonstrations, you call me a leftwing radical and refer to the websites where the pictures came from (I actually copied most of them directly from flickr, from photographers who had taken those pictures at tea parties all across the country) as "rabid, hateful leftwing sites".

As long as you think that denial and fingerpointing rather than disassociating yourself from those nutjobs is the appropriate way to deal with the issue, I see no reason why anybody should take you serious.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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Rush Limbaugh has become the "de facto leader" of the right.

I thought you said it was "Joe the Plumber".

I said spokesperson. It doesn't surprise me that you are unable to discern the difference between an "spokesperson" and a "leader," faux, de facto, or otherwise.

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@old europe,

Surprise! I don't take Foxie seriously in anything she says, because she's proved herself incapable of honesty while calling people with negative adjectives when she disagrees with any poster or idea. She's contradicted herself so many times, it's any wonder anybody takes her seriously.

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

Foxfyre,

you've been making lots of posts making ex cathedra claims what these tea parties were about, and what they were not. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion, but the same thing obviously goes for all the people who actually attended those protests. If these people think that calling Obama a socialist pig, a Muslim or Hitler is the way to go, then that's what they get out of those demonstrations.

You, on the other hand, can obviously choose to either deny that that's why people went there, or you can simply speak up and declare that that's not your opinion. Remember the discussion we had where your argument was that all Muslims - even those who didn't share any kinds of radical beliefs - were at least guilty of enabling the radicals by refusing to speak up against them? Well, this case here is similar.

I also notice that rather than speaking out and declaring - like mysteryman - that some of the signs and some of the statements made by the protesters were actually quite disgusting, you rather decide to engage in what-aboutery, you point to anti-Bush demonstrations, you post pictures from anti-war demonstrations, you call me a leftwing radical and refer to the websites where the pictures came from (I actually copied most of them directly from flickr, from photographers who had taken those pictures at tea parties all across the country) as "rabid, hateful leftwing sites".

As long as you think that denial and fingerpointing rather than disassociating yourself from those nutjobs is the appropriate way to deal with the issue, I see no reason why anybody should take you serious.

I will readily agree that there are numbnuts on the right and some showed up at some of the rallies. Yes some of the signs were offensive. But for you to pretend that those few are the ONLY ones who showed at the rallies or all or even most of the rallies were like those you picture is where you become totally dishonest. I KNOW what the tea parties were all about because I was involved here in Albuquerque even though I didn't get to attend because I had to work. Those who did attend were mostly hard working, decent working people, family people, concerned citizens--those YOU want to pretend weren't there.

They weren't there to represent any political party or to smear or attack anybody. Nor were they organized by any political party or group or television network or talk show host. They were there to exercise their Constitutionally protected right to peacefully assemble and speak out on their own behalf. And all were requested to keep it polite, peaceful, non offensive, and to set a good example.

But if you insist on painting all with the brush you want to paint them with, then at least have the decency to admit that EVERYBODY who ever attended a leftwing rally for any purpose are all racist, hateful, bigoted, meanspirited, facists who would deny anybody any difference of opinion and wish the worst kind of scourge on all who hold anything other than the narrow, ugly opinions that the leftwing hatemongers hold.

Deal?

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@old europe,

old europe wrote:

"the revolt starts now"... hmmm yeah, they are pretty revolting.

and stupid, to boot. i mean, look at this dumb ******. what the hell is he doing at a rally that alledges to be a protest against taxes in the united states carrying another country's flag, for christ sake.

what a tool. Rolling Eyes

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@Foxfyre,

It's easy to paint with a broad brush when so many prove themselves as bigots showing their open hostility in so many conservative demonstrations.

Let me count the ways...

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DTOM, That's a confederate flag. LOL Their talking about tax slavery, but that's the entire irony that being missed by "them."

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

TEA PARTY OPPOSITION TO OBAMA
has absolutely nothing to do with Obama's skin color. ...

are you liar, or are you just an ignorant fool?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

ican is not just an "ignorant fool," but doesn't seem to have a handle on truth with all his irrelevant posts. He's also on my Ignore list.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Careful DTOM. Ican was AT the rally in his community. I helped with the one in mine. You are far too fair minded to join with the numbnuts who want to paint all of us as racist who attended a tea party because we object to the track our government is taking at this time. The only ones who seem to keep pointing out again and again and again and again that the President is BLACK!!!!!! is YOUR side. That suggests that the only racists in this discussion are on your side of the fence.

Please don't be one of them.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

I'm telling you exactly what I think is true! If you think I'm a fool for thinking that, I will think you a fool for thinking that.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

pathetic and disappointing coming from you, foxy.

what was it you guys were all chanting when the warrantless wire taps were discovered; "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about".

and by the way, even according to fox news, the report was ordered and begun under the bush administration, as was the previous one on left wing extremists.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Haven't you been keeping up that the Obama administration has not only kept up the wiretaps but has expanded them to the point that he's having to find ways to justify it? Do you honestly agree with Napolitano that it is VETERANS that we need to be concerned about as terrorists in this country? What justification can you make for her saying something like that? Do you think President Bush could have gotten away with it?

Why do you think it not fair game to be noted by political cartoonists?

And why do you and others on the Left insist on bringing up the President's race? Are you so very conscious of the fact that he is a black man that you feel you have to make every discussion about THAT? And how does that make your side not racist?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

DTOM, That's a confederate flag. LOL Their talking about tax slavery, but that's the entire irony that being missed by "them."

yeah, it's the "battle flag" of a country called the "the Confederate States of America". the CSA fired on, and went to war with the United States of America. the war became known as the civil war. the u.s. defeated the csa then, and we will defeat them again.

i know that, you know that and most people in this country know that.

that's what makes ol' ebeneezer corncob such a dumb ****.

people like that make me embarrassed to be a southerner. there is so much about the south that is great and beautiful. but people like this dumb **** throw their idiot racist **** all over it leaving nothing of it but a foul stench.

not all southerners are like him though. i still have a cbf in a box of my stuff from when i was a little kid. when i got old enough to understand what it really stood for, i never hung it up again.

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http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/u/f/2/koolaid-parties-tt090417.gif

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Careful DTOM. Ican was AT the rally in his community. I helped with the one in mine. You are far too fair minded to join with the numbnuts who want to paint all of us as racist who attended a tea party because we object to the track our government is taking at this time. The only ones who seem to keep pointing out again and again and again and again that the President is BLACK!!!!!! is YOUR side. That suggests that the only racists in this discussion are on your side of the fence.

Please don't be one of them.

you are wrong foxy. i'm from the south, i still have a house there. and not in a nice liberal city, either.

i will agree with you that not everyone at those rallies was a racist piece of garbage like those in the pictures, but trust me, i know a cbf waving white racist when i see, or hear one.

so, maybe you can explain to me how a cbf, a sign with obama's middle name, and one saying "we came unarmed, this time" have anything to do with taxation.

and please don't respond with "what about "hitler-bush" and alla that. i thought that stuff detracted from the subject too.

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@DontTreadOnMe,

DTOM, No fear; our son lives in the south, and I have many friends there also. One of my oldest friend I met in the service back in the late fifties lives in the south. I've met some good people from the south on my last 26-day cruise on the South Pacific who also happens to live in Austin, and I told them I will call them to invite them for a meal when I visit my son later this year. All good people.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Haven't you been keeping up that the Obama administration has not only kept up the wiretaps but has expanded them to the point that he's having to find ways to justify it? Do you honestly agree with Napolitano that it is VETERANS that we need to be concerned about as terrorists in this country? What justification can you make for her saying something like that? Do you think President Bush could have gotten away with it?

Why do you think it not fair game to be noted by political cartoonists?

And why do you and others on the Left insist on bringing up the President's race? Are you so very conscious of the fact that he is a black man that you feel you have to make every discussion about THAT? And how does that make your side not racist?

apparently you are only listening to who you want and hearing what you want.

mcveigh was a veteran. that doesn't mean all vets are militia happy knuckleheads. but to go up in flames because some report, prepared by the bush administration btw, says that some coming back from i and a says that there's a possibility that some would use their skills for bad is over reacting and is being flamed by gopper cheerleaders who can't take losing like adults.

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