AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Foxfyre,

Foxie, To be fair, show us how those same stats looked like under Bush.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Are you saying that unless someone protests in the streets that their protests dont mean anything?

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@cicerone imposter,

Those are Bush stats CI.

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@Foxfyre,

When I saw April 2009 as the date, I assumed it was about Obama's budget.

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@cicerone imposter,

Obama's budget won't kick in until next year.

What you are seeing in those statistics are spending authorizations that have already been spent this year compared to last year at this time. Obama did have the power to veto the last authorization bill--you know, the one with 9000+ earmarks in it?--but he didn't. And it was a whopper.

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@Foxfyre,

What? You mean all those stimulus plan and other spending initiatives approved by congress won't happen until next year? News to me!

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Are you saying that unless someone protests in the streets that their protests dont mean anything?

Well, they may be complaints, but they hardly rise to the level of protesting in the streets. Wouldn't you agree? Conservatives had the opportunity to protest in the streets about all this supposed fiscal liberalism for years now, and they just happened to wait until the other guys were in charge to do so. Surely you can see how this looks pretty hypocritical - Fox did, to her credit.

Cycloptichorn

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What? You mean all those stimulus plan and other spending initiatives approved by congress won't happen until next year? News to me!

The Stimulus isn't in the budget, technically, so Fox is correct.

Cycloptichorn

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@cicerone imposter,

It is my understanding that the bailout bills and stimulus package are over and above the budget.

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Little by little, the truth is getting out there no matter how much the kool-ade drinkers try to squelch it and the spending side isn't the only thing responsible people are watching:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/4-16-09cnnspazRGB20090416032333.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/aria09041820090417062003.jpg

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/lb0420cd20090417051143.jpg

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@Foxfyre,

What exactly is being "squelched?"

Information is obviously available. Is it squelched because not everyone agrees with it?

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In the following table, a deficit is shown as a negative surplus..

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf
----- GPD$Billion - Surplus$Billion - SurplusGPD%
1976 -- 1,736.5 -- -72.9-- -4.2
1977 -- 1,974.3 -- -53.3 -- -2.7 CARTER
1978 -- 2,217.0 -- -59.9 -- -2.7
1979 -- 2,500.7 -- -40.0 -- -1.6
1980 -- 2,726.7 -- -73.6 -- -2.7
1981 -- 3,054.7 "- -79.4 -2.6 REAGAN
1982 -- 3,227.6 -- -129.1 "- -4.0
1983 -- 3,440.7 - -206.4"- -6.0
1984 -- 3,840.2 - -184.3 "- -4.8
1985 -- 4,141.5 - -211.2 "- -5.1
1986 -- 4,412.4 " -220.6 -- -5.0
1987 -- 4,647.1 " -148.7 -- -3.2
1988 -- 5,008.6 " -155.3 -- -3.1
1989 -- 5,400.5 - -151.2 "- -2.8 BUSH 41
1990 "- 5,735.4 - -223.7 -- -3.9
1991 "- 5,935.1 - -267.1 -- -4.5
1992 -- 6,239.9 - -293.3 "- -4.7
1993 "- 6,575.5 - -256.4 -- -3.9 CLINTON
1994 "- 6,961.3 - -201.9 -- -2.9
1995 "- 7,325.8 - -161.2 -- -2.2
1996 "- 7,694.1 - -107.7 -- -1.4
1997 "- 8,182.4 -- -24.5 -- -0.3
1998 "- 8,627.9 -- +69.0-- +0.8
1999 "- 9,125.3 - +127.8 -- +1.4
2000 "- 9,709.8 - +233.0 -- +2.4
2001 " 10,057.9 - +130.8 -- +1.3 BUSH 43
2002 " 10,377.4 - -155.7 -- -1.5
2003 " 10,808.6 - -378.3 -- -3.5
2004 " 11,499.9 - -414.0 -- -3.6
2005 " 12,237.9 - -318.2 -- -2.6
2006 " 13,015.5 - -247.3 -- -1.9
2007 " 13,667.5 - -164.0 -- -1.2 (Democrats have majorities of House and Senate)
2008 " 14,311.5 - -415.0 -- -2.9 (Democrats have majorities of House and Senate)

The sum of Bush's $billion dollar positive and negative surpluses, Jan. 20, 2001 to Jan. 20,2009:

2001 +130.8
2002 -155.7
2003 -378.3
2004 -414.0
2005 -318.2
2006 -247.3
2007 -164.0
2008 -415.0
-1,961.7 = less than $2 trillion over 8 years.

Obama is promising a deficit of more than $1.0 trillion per year over his term of office.

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@ican711nm,

AS I PREVIOUSLY POSTED:

The Bush administration spent billions of dollars (PER YEAR) in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

The Obama administration is in the process of spending trillions of dollars (PER YEAR) in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

We have tolerated this criminal activity long enough. Our federal government is mortgaging our children's and grandchildren's futures with their criminal activity.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Little by little, the truth is getting out there no matter how much the kool-ade drinkers try to squelch it and the spending side isn't the only thing responsible people are watching:

[POSTED CARTOONS DELETED]

Foxfyre posts cartoons to represent the truth while avoiding at all costs posting actual real-life pictures of the ignorant hypocrites who were caught on camera carrying guns and racist, hate-mongering signs. Her campaign of lies and misinformation and boogeyman scare tactics continues....

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@wandeljw,

Wandel, PLEASE tell me that you don't go to the George Soros funded Media Matters for your news source. This group is so dishonestly vile that you should block their website from your kids and grandkids. I have no problem with humor or spoofs or satire from anybody unless it is unnecessarily mean or hateful. I have a huge problem with people who maliciously attempt to destroy people with cherry picked soundbites carefully selected to make people believe that something is being said other than what is actually being said.

Almost as bad are those who can't stand any opposing point of view but try to paint anybody who disagrees with the critic's point of view as being racist or bigoted or some other extreme radical.

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@Debra Law,

That they refuse to see the truth is very telling about their own morals; they have none.

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@wandeljw,

wandeljw wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNIQG7WXpSM

Fox News and its resident lunatics, Hannity and Beck (crazy and crazier), are the nation's misinformation incendiary agents. They are inflaming the anti-government delusions of right wing extremist wackos and inspiring them to become domestic terrorists.

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NOW HERE"S A RADICAL WORTH LISTENING TO:

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Wandel, PLEASE tell me that you don't go to the George Soros funded Media Matters for your news source. This group is so dishonestly vile that you should block their website from your kids and grandkids. I have no problem with humor or spoofs or satire from anybody unless it is unnecessarily mean or hateful. I have a huge problem with people who maliciously attempt to destroy people with cherry picked soundbites carefully selected to make people believe that something is being said other than what is actually being said.

Almost as bad are those who can't stand any opposing point of view but try to paint anybody who disagrees with the critic's point of view as being racist or bigoted or some other extreme radical.

We see with our own eyes; we hear with our own ears. Your attempt to portray deserved criticism of your misinformation incendiary agents as "dishonestly vile" is "dishonestly vile." Your conservative movement placed thousands of ignorant people holding vile, racist signs on camera, you trumpet their right to protest under the First Amendment, and then you denigrate all others who exercise their co-equal right under the First Amendment to state what they saw and heard. Oh no, you argue: we didn't really see and hear what we actually saw and heard--we're getting our information from "dishonestly vile" sources.

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