AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Debra Law,

Debra Law, who thinks Obama's mother's house is Obama's mother, wrote:

Ican's immoral desire for the President's mother to be annihilated by a N. Korean rocket will never come to fruition.

But her house--her former house--could be annihilated along with quite a few of her former neighbor's houses.

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@ican711nm,

ican's imagination runs wild....

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@old europe,

I would not have a problem with the cigarette tax at all if he had not so many times raised his finger and stared into the camera and fervently promised the middle class that they would not see one penny of their taxes raised if they voted for him. If he can so quickly forget such an often spoken promise and break it, how much more easily can he forget and break other promises? Yeah, go Obama--the sooner the better if that's the way it is going to be so more people will realize that they didn't buy what they thought they bought into and we can head off the major damage.

Cap and trade is a scheme that will again hurt the poorest of the poor and enrich the fat cats and nobody, not even a socialist-minded European, should think that is a smart thing to do.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I would not have a problem with the cigarette tax at all if he had not so many times raised his finger and stared into the camera and fervently promised the middle class that they would not see one penny of their taxes raised if they voted for him. If he can so quickly forget such an often spoken promise and break it, how much more easily can he forget and break other promises?

I think rational people will see the difference between vice taxes and taxing income, sales, etc.

Meanwhile, I think conservatives should complain often and loud how bad a cigarette tax is, and how it constitutes breaking promises to not raise taxes on the middle class. Voters love people who lobby for the tobacco industry.

Foxfyre wrote:

Yeah, go Obama--the sooner the better if that's the way it is going to be so more people will realize that they didn't buy what they thought they bought into and we can head off the major damage.

No idea. Conservatives are really just out of office for a couple of weeks. I guess I'll have to wait a couple of years to see whether the current administration will **** things up as royally as the last one.

Foxfyre wrote:

Cap and trade is a scheme that will again hurt the poorest of the poor and enrich the fat cats and nobody, not even a socialist-minded European, should think that is a smart thing to do.

Well, you should like it then. If you're a more "productive member of society" (as ican puts it) and therefore making more money, you'll be able to just keep on doing what you have been doing anyways. It would really only hurt lazy people with an entitlement thinking, who want to do business in the United States based on the assumption that everything should be free, and who favour government regulations and restrictions on everyone in order to guarantee an equal outcome to everyone, regardless of their effort.

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Conservatives haven't had any power in the federal government for at least eight years--the Republicans haven't been in power now for two years plus going on three months. A promise not to raise ANY of your taxes one penny should be interpreteded to mean exactly that--you know damn well a Republican would not be given a pass on something like that.

But never fear OE. Pretty soon we'll be a carbon copy of France or Germany or some other place that you think we should be like and maybe then you will be happy. I, however, still highly resent and shall continue to speak out against those who govern who presume to take away my freedoms, limit my choices, crush my opportunities, and confiscate my property to give others as bribes for votes. I still believe that a free people prospers far more efficiently than one who gives their souls over to the government to manage for them.

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@Foxfyre,

A carbon copy of France or Germany? Where do you people come up with **** like this? Pretty soon? How soon? Give us a ballpark in months or weeks.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Debra Law, who thinks Obama's mother's house is Obama's mother, wrote:
Ican's immoral desire for the President's mother to be annihilated by a N. Korean rocket will never come to fruition.

But her house--her former house--could be annihilated along with quite a few of her former neighbor's houses.

Ican. Why would you threaten the annihilation of Obama's mother's house if you weren't targeting the alleged occupant? Why do you express ill-will toward the President's family? Are you not aware that the government with its omnipotent power is monitoring your communications on this board and that you have just targeted yourself for secret detention and torture as a suspected terrorist? You may thank Bush for your current dilemma.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I would not have a problem with the cigarette tax at all if he had not so many times raised his finger and stared into the camera and fervently promised the middle class that they would not see one penny of their taxes raised if they voted for him. . . .

I didn't realize that Obama promised that cigarette taxes would not be raised. The poor people of America, who spend their welfare dollars on cigarettes, may have no choice but to join your tea party in order to "head off the major damage" of your conservative prophesies.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Conservatives haven't had any power in the federal government for at least eight years--the Republicans haven't been in power now for two years plus going on three months.

Keep on telling yourself that. Denying responsibility is the best way to get back into power - claiming that the people you've voted in and consistently supported for years were actually not even your candidates. That's the ticket.

Foxfyre wrote:

A promise not to raise ANY of your taxes one penny should be interpreteded to mean exactly that--you know damn well a Republican would not be given a pass on something like that.

Oh yes, you could argue that an increase in vice taxes is a tax increase, and I agree that partisan blindness is regrettable, but I'm not sure you are in a position to tell other people when a President should be given a pass and when not. After all, you've been defending the Bush administration for even after they mistakenly invaded and occupied a country based on faulty information - and that's the best-case scenario.

Foxfyre wrote:

But never fear OE. Pretty soon we'll be a carbon copy of France or Germany or some other place that you think we should be like and maybe then you will be happy.

You're funny.

You actually assume that my thinking mirrors yours - that I see "my country" as the best, and that other places could only profit from being modelled after this formidable example.

This makes me laugh.

Foxfyre wrote:

I, however, still highly resent and shall continue to speak out against those who govern who presume to take away my freedoms, limit my choices, crush my opportunities, and confiscate my property to give others as bribes for votes.

Well, Foxfyre, I don't remember you speaking out against the Bush administration running a secret prison system around the world, wiretapping citizens without a warrant, instituting a public school initiative mandated by the federal government, hijacking foreign citizens and sending them to internment camps in Afghanistan, financing tax cuts in a time of war by borrowing from a communist country, detaining people without trial outside the reach of the American justice system in a country that is at the same time boycotted by the United States for being a tyrannical communist dictatorship - and you promise to "continue to speak out" against those who limit your freedoms?

You know, in order to continue something, you're supposed to have actually started doing so at one p0int in the past....

Foxfyre wrote:

I still believe that a free people prospers far more efficiently than one who gives their souls over to the government to manage for them.

Oh, good point. I absolutely agree.

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@Foxfyre,

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Conservatives haven't had any power in the federal government for at least eight years--the Republicans haven't been in power now for two years plus going on three months.

Oh, for the love of Pete.

To claim that the Republicans haven't been in power for two years?

Hello!!?!!?!! BUSH was still president those two years! Your side most certainly was in power. How can you say stuff like this?

I understand that you don't think Bush or the Republicans in Congress were Conservative enough to count, but honestly. That's a silly statement. They did plenty of Conservative stuff in that time period.

Cycloptichorn

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@old europe,

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Well, Foxfyre, I don't remember you speaking out against the Bush administration running a secret prison system around the world, wiretapping citizens without a warrant, instituting a public school initiative mandated by the federal government, hijacking foreign citizens and sending them to internment camps in Afghanistan, financing tax cuts in a time of war by borrowing from a communist country, detaining people without trial outside the reach of the American justice system in a country that is at the same time boycotted by the United States for being a tyrannical communist dictatorship - and you promise to "continue to speak out" against those who limit your freedoms?

You know, in order to continue something, you're supposed to have actually started doing so at one p0int in the past....

See my post on the top of the last page. It really is true. Money is all they care about. You can break any number of laws, but as long as they are making money, they could give two shits.

Threaten the flow of their money, in any way, however - and they flip out and start holding douchebag rallies across the nation, where they can convince each other how mainstream they are and come up with innovative ways to ignore the sea change in American political opinions.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

And the irony is that they don't even have to "earn it."

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This is also "funny."

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10 Holy Cross priests object to Obama invitation
Ten priests from the order that founded the University of Notre Dame say the school risks its "true soul" and could distance itself from the Roman Catholic Church by inviting President Barack Obama to campus next month.

Will the Vatican also deny Obama a reception by Benedict?

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@Debra Law,

"Debra Law, presumpter," wrote:

Ican. Why would you threaten the annihilation of Obama's mother's house if you weren't targeting the alleged occupant? Why do you express ill-will toward the President's family? Are you not aware that the government with its omnipotent power is monitoring your communications on this board and that you have just targeted yourself for secret detention and torture as a suspected terrorist? You may thank Bush for your current dilemma.

I did not threaten the annihilation of anyone or thing.
I was not targeting anyone or thing.
I did not express ill will toward the President's family.

However, I do think you are in dire need of professional counseling to help you overcome your propensity to interpret the statements of those with whom you disagree, in a manner that conforms to your intensely prejudiced view of them.

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@ican711nm,

ican wrote:

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But her house--her former house--could be annihilated along with quite a few of her former neighbor's houses.

You're the one suggesting this idiotic scenario. You are sick; you need to see your shrink.

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@JTT,

JTT, who lacks knowledge of what he posts, wrote:

Make careful note of who it is that has rained nuclear bombs on ANYONE.

Count the number of nuclear weapons the USA has. It's little wonder given the US's record, that North Korea, any country for that matter, wants nuclear weapons.

Do a little count of the overall WMDs in any country and I'm sure that you'll soon realize that you're a hypocrite of gigantic proportions.

Count the number of people that the North Koreans have killed compared to those that the USA has killed. The North Koreans are not even close.

The USA causes nothing but murder and mayhem. The reason; the interest is not for the welfare of others, the overriding interest is to safeguard the economic interests of the USA.

Stay out of it, you always **** it up royally and the only ones who have to pay the price of your brutality are innocents around the world.

The USA dropped exactly two atomic bombs, and zero hydrogen bombs, that killed people. The two atomic bombs killed less than 450,000 Japanese, but saved the lives of millions of Japanese and Americans by ending WWII rapidly. The deadliness of those two bombs in no way matches the millions of Chinese killed by the Japanese. Nor do they match the millions killed by the Nazis or the Soviet communists or the Chinese communists or the Pol Pot communists, or even the over one million killed by Saddam Hussein. And the North Koreans long ago killed more than the 450,000 killed by those two atomic bombs dropped by the USA on two cities in Japan to end WWII.

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@ican711nm,

ican, Past history is just that; it doesn't apply to contemporary warfare unless you've been living in isolation for over half a century.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn, the distorter, wrote:

To claim that the Republicans haven't been in power for two years?

Hello!!?!!?!! BUSH was still president those two years! Your side most certainly was in power. How can you say stuff like this?

I understand that you don't think Bush or the Republicans in Congress were Conservative enough to count, but honestly. That's a silly statement. They did plenty of Conservative stuff in that time period.

What do you allege was the "conservative stuff" done by Bush and/or the Republicans in Congress that amounted to "plenty of Conservative stuff in that time period" [i.e., 2007 AND 2008]?'

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@ican711nm,

Started a war
Lowered taxes
Destroyed our economy - along with many of the developed countries
Increased terrorism around the world
Created more enemies in the Middle East
Lost many of our former allies
Generally left our country in chaos - increasing unemployment and loss of equity for most Americans

Did I miss anything?

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According to Limbaugh, if Republicans do not slurp up his every word as unquestionable gospel, then they're not Republicans. If you don't agree with torture, then you're not a Republican.

Republican Caller Tells Limbaugh: "You're a brainwashed Nazi"

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LIMBAUGH: We're going to go to Chicago. This is Charles. Charles thank you for waiting and for calling. Great to have you here. Hello.

CALLER: Thanks Rush. Rush listen, I voted Republican and I really didn't want to see Obama get in office. But you know Rush, you're one reason to blame for this election, for the Republicans losing. First of all, you kept harping about voting for Hillary. The second big issue was the torture issue. I'm a veteran. We're not supposed to be torturing these people. This is not Nazi Germany, Red China, North Korea. There's other ways of interrogating people, and you just kept harping about, it's okay, or it's not really torture. And it was just more than waterboarding. Some of these prisoners will killed under torture.

And it was crazy for you to go on and on like Levin and Hannity and Hewitt. It's like you're all brainwashed. And my last comment is, no matter what Obama does, you will still criticize him because I believe you are brainwashed. You're just -- and I hate to say it -- but I think you're a brainwashed Nazi. Anyone who can believe in torture has got to be -- there has got to be something wrong with them.

LIMBAUGH: You know --

CALLER: And I know Bush wanted to keep us safe and all of that but we're not supposed to be torturing these people.

LIMBAUGH: Charles, if anybody is admitting that they are brainwashed it would be you.

CALLER: No, no, Rush. I don't think so. You, Hannity, and Levin are all brainwashed --

LIMBAUGH: Charles, you said at the beginning of your phone call that you didn't want Obama in there. But you voted for him because of me.

CALLER: I didn't vote for him. I voted for McCain. I voted Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Oh, so you're saying I turned people off --

CALLER: You turned people off with all this vote for Hillary and all this BS.

LIMBAUGH: That was Operation Chaos. That was to keep the chaos in the Democrat primaries --

CALLER: It didn't work and what we have with you Hannity Levin and Hewitt is sour grapes. That's all we have. And believe me, I'm not -- I'm more to the right than I am to the left.

LIMBAUGH: Oh, of course you are.

CALLER: I am.

LIMBAUGH: Of course you are. You wouldn't be calling here with all of these sour grapes if you weren't.

CALLER: Well I'm tired of listening to go on and on with this --

LIMBAUGH: I don't know of anybody who died from torture.

CALLER: We're not supposed to torture people. Do you remember World War II, the Nazis? The Nuremburg trials?

LIMBAUGH: Charles, Barack Obama --

CALLER: What's the matter with you? You never even served in the military. I served in the Marine Corps and the Army.

LIMBAUGH: Charles, Barack Obama is president of the United States today because of stupid, ignorant people who think like you do. You pose - you and your ignorance are the most expensive commodity this country has. You think you know everything. You don't know diddly squat. You call me a Nazi? You call me someone who supports torture and you want credibility on this program? You're just plan embarrassing and ludicrous. But it doesn't surprise me that you're the kind of Republican that our last candidate attracted. Because you're no Republican at all based on what the hell you just said right here.

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