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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 03:33 pm
@Foxfyre,
I guess I'm a little confused. What is it that the artist thinks we should do instead?

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 03:37 pm
I think this will go perfectly here.

Quote:
Dear Conservative Teabaggers
by Hunter
Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 02:20:04 PM PDT

Nobody is trying to stop you from holding your "tea parties." Please stop saying you're oppressed when you're clearly not oppressed. You want to have a tea party? Go ahead! Get to it! Take to the streets, pleasantly aromatic baggies in hand!

We've had a president who decided that he could revoke the citizenship of Americans based on his own say-so -- and no conservatives were worried about their loss of rights. We've had a government assert that it could spy on any communications, without warrant or cause -- and no conservatives took to the streets, alarmed at the threat to their Constitutional protections. We found out we went to war over a weapons program that didn't exist -- oops. We found out that we subjected innocent, though brown, people to imprisonment without recourse, and others to torture so cruel that it rendered them mentally incompetent. We buried the nation in a mountain of debt -- well, them's the breaks. We forked over billions of dollars in giveaways to oil companies that were already making larger profits than any other companies in the history of the world -- hell, gotta keep John Galt in caviar. None of it raised a peep from any of you, you were all fine with it. The government could do no wrong -- except not going far enough.

But if returning to the tax policies that existed before Bush is the thing that's got a bee in your bonnet, claiming the end of the republic is at hand -- go for it. If you've suddenly decided that preventing government efforts to stave off a second Great Depression is the thing you're going to hang your collective hats on, or that saving one of the prime manufacturing sectors still left in the country is a bridge too far, by all means protest. Who's stopping you? Who's intimidating you?


On the contrary, the rest of us find your "tea bagging" to be superbly instructive. It's increasing taxes that gets your goat, and absolutely nothing else. The only Constitutional crisis possible is one that might possibly affect your wallet; offenses to other people's freedoms don't rouse a tenth of the same emotion.

And it stands as a dramatic act of solidarity with conservative leaders in government. Bloviate at every opportunity; remain steadfastly in opposition to everything; suggest nothing; claim that it is not even your responsibility to suggest anything. Like House and Senate Republicans, who have declared sitting on their hands to be an act of supreme virtue and who, when pressed, can only come up with a few terse pages of declarations that the only path forward is to give big businesses more tax breaks, and rich Americans more tax breaks, and eliminate even more regulations on financial behavior -- and that will work this time for sure, in spite of those same exact things bringing the country debt and corruption every other time they have been tried, finally leading to this current brink of economic ruin. No, it seems hard to compete with any acts of leadership as impressive as that.

So teabag your little hearts out, my noble friends! Take to the streets, and demand the conservative dream -- absolute inaction on every front! Turn the economic crisis into an opportunity to finally, at long last, give a damn about the actions of your leaders, who we have just now noticed might be of an opposing political party! Yes, take to the streets on behalf of the John Galts of the world: that's what Fox News Corporation has told you to do, and what the stock traders of CNBC demand of you! Take a day off work and wave those little white bags so that an executive responsible for financial crisis will not find their yearly bonus jeopardized by scandalous government intervention, or people making one hundred times your annual income will not be taxed a Stalinesque three percent more (marginal rate) than they presently are! Throw your little pouches of aromatic leaves high into the air, shout your grievances, demand the factories close and the government remain unresponsive, because that's what conservatives everywhere want to see!

By all means.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/8/717683/-Dear-Conservative-Teabaggers

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 03:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter, the brilliant inquisitor, wrote:
Less than 1%+19% equals ____?

>1% + 19% = >20%
1% + >19% = >20%
>1% + >19% = >20%
More than (1% + 19%) = >20%
<1% + 19% = <20%
1% + <19% = <20%
<1% + <19% = <20%
Less than (1% + 19%) = <20%

Oh yes, by the way, 1% + 19% = 20%
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 03:56 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I think this will go perfectly here.

Quote:
Dear Conservative Teabaggers
by Hunter
Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 02:20:04 PM PDT

Nobody is trying to stop you from holding your "tea parties." Please stop saying you're oppressed when you're clearly not oppressed. You want to have a tea party? Go ahead! Get to it! Take to the streets, pleasantly aromatic baggies in hand!

We've had a president who decided that he could revoke the citizenship of Americans based on his own say-so -- and no conservatives were worried about their loss of rights. We've had a government assert that it could spy on any communications, without warrant or cause -- and no conservatives took to the streets, alarmed at the threat to their Constitutional protections. We found out we went to war over a weapons program that didn't exist -- oops. We found out that we subjected innocent, though brown, people to imprisonment without recourse, and others to torture so cruel that it rendered them mentally incompetent. We buried the nation in a mountain of debt -- well, them's the breaks. We forked over billions of dollars in giveaways to oil companies that were already making larger profits than any other companies in the history of the world -- hell, gotta keep John Galt in caviar. None of it raised a peep from any of you, you were all fine with it. The government could do no wrong -- except not going far enough.

But if returning to the tax policies that existed before Bush is the thing that's got a bee in your bonnet, claiming the end of the republic is at hand -- go for it. If you've suddenly decided that preventing government efforts to stave off a second Great Depression is the thing you're going to hang your collective hats on, or that saving one of the prime manufacturing sectors still left in the country is a bridge too far, by all means protest. Who's stopping you? Who's intimidating you?


On the contrary, the rest of us find your "tea bagging" to be superbly instructive. It's increasing taxes that gets your goat, and absolutely nothing else. The only Constitutional crisis possible is one that might possibly affect your wallet; offenses to other people's freedoms don't rouse a tenth of the same emotion.

And it stands as a dramatic act of solidarity with conservative leaders in government. Bloviate at every opportunity; remain steadfastly in opposition to everything; suggest nothing; claim that it is not even your responsibility to suggest anything. Like House and Senate Republicans, who have declared sitting on their hands to be an act of supreme virtue and who, when pressed, can only come up with a few terse pages of declarations that the only path forward is to give big businesses more tax breaks, and rich Americans more tax breaks, and eliminate even more regulations on financial behavior -- and that will work this time for sure, in spite of those same exact things bringing the country debt and corruption every other time they have been tried, finally leading to this current brink of economic ruin. No, it seems hard to compete with any acts of leadership as impressive as that.

So teabag your little hearts out, my noble friends! Take to the streets, and demand the conservative dream -- absolute inaction on every front! Turn the economic crisis into an opportunity to finally, at long last, give a damn about the actions of your leaders, who we have just now noticed might be of an opposing political party! Yes, take to the streets on behalf of the John Galts of the world: that's what Fox News Corporation has told you to do, and what the stock traders of CNBC demand of you! Take a day off work and wave those little white bags so that an executive responsible for financial crisis will not find their yearly bonus jeopardized by scandalous government intervention, or people making one hundred times your annual income will not be taxed a Stalinesque three percent more (marginal rate) than they presently are! Throw your little pouches of aromatic leaves high into the air, shout your grievances, demand the factories close and the government remain unresponsive, because that's what conservatives everywhere want to see!

By all means.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/8/717683/-Dear-Conservative-Teabaggers

Cycloptichorn


AMEN
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:02 pm
@Debra Law,
A double amen!
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:07 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I guess I'm a little confused. What is it that the artist thinks we should do instead?

Cycloptichorn


Apparently, according to the cartoon she posted, we're supposed to invade N. Korea, hunt down the ruler, give him a fair trial before hangin' him, and then install a new democratic government . . . because doing this in Iraq at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars has worked out so well for us.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:11 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I guess I'm a little confused. What is it that the artist thinks we should do instead?

Cycloptichorn


Threaten North Korea, of course. And if they don't bow to those threats: kill them.


Then again, the artist has the freedom to use satire to make a political point without actually having to come up with real-world solutions.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:14 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
When was a depression ended by increasing tax rates AND increasing spending?

Hoover didn't end the depression started in his term when he increased tax rates AND increased spending.

FDR didn't didn't end the depression he inherited from Hoover when he increased tax rates AND increased spending --it took a war to do that.

When was a recession ended by increasing tax rates AND increasing spending?

Reagan ended the recession he inherited from Carter by decreasing tax rates AND increasing spending.

Bush ended the recession he inherited from Clinton by decreasing tax rates AND increasing spending.

Subsequently Bush fomented the current recession by greatly increasing spending, and Obama is sustaining the recession he inherited from Bush by greatly increasing Bush's spending AND is promising to increase tax rates.

Why does anyone think Obama's increased tax rates AND increased spending will end the current recession?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:18 pm
@ican711nm,
ican wrote:
Quote:
Subsequently Bush fomented the current recession by greatly increasing spending, and Obama is sustaining the recession he inherited from Bush by greatly increasing Bush's spending AND is promising to increase tax rates.


You're a goddam liar. Only those making more than $250,000 will see any tax increase. The majority, some 95% of workers, will see their tax liability reduced.
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
What's even more troubling is the person who posted it. She's perfectly content to see untold millions of innocent people killed simply to add some gold to her pockets.

Can you say Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Nicaragua, Cuba, The Philippines, El Salvador, ... , FOXY! For god's sakes, where IS your sense of morality?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:23 pm
@JTT,
Their concern is not about "morality," but self-sufficiency.

They worry about abortion, but they don't want to spend their money to shelter, provide food and medical care, and blankets to keep them warm and safe.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:28 pm
Let's solve the North Korea Problem by ignoring it.

In the past we didn't ignore it and it cost us a lot of foreign aid that did not buy a solution to the North Korea Problem.


Let's do nothing and wait until North Korea fires a rocket into Obama's mother's house in Hawaii. That won't happen until at least 9/11/09.
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:34 pm
For those who still read, as wel have already pointed out, Obama has already raised taxes on the poorest of the poor, the middle class, AND the rich with his hefty new tax on cigarettes. If he should get his cap and trade initiative through too, we will all feel in significant ways the taxes/fees that will be included in that. Reset the capital gains tax and everybody, rich, poor, and middle class will all feel the effects one way or the other.

You simply cannot sock it to the rich and hurt them. You will hurt the poor when you try.
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:38 pm
@ican711nm,
Make careful note of who it is that has rained nuclear bombs on ANYONE.

Count the number of nuclear weapons the USA has. It's little wonder given the US's record, that North Korea, any country for that matter, wants nuclear weapons.

Do a little count of the overall WMDs in any country and I'm sure that you'll soon realize that you're a hypocrite of gigantic proportions.

Count the number of people that the North Koreans have killed compared to those that the USA has killed. The North Koreans are not even close.

The USA causes nothing but murder and mayhem. The reason; the interest is not for the welfare of others, the overriding interest is to safeguard the economic interests of the USA.

Stay out of it, you always **** it up royally and the only ones who have to pay the price of your brutality are innocents around the world.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter, the rememberer of the Obama past promises, but not the Obama subsequent promises, wrote:
You're a goddam liar. Only those making more than $250,000 will see any tax increase. The majority, some 95% of workers, will see their tax liability reduced.

An increase in the tax rates of those making more than $250,000 is a tax increase. It is a tax increase on the more productive members of our society, who will have less to invest in that which creates jobs for those who have lost and will lose their jobs.
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Debra Law
 
  1  
Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:44 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
Let's do nothing and wait until North Korea fires a rocket into Obama's mother's house in Hawaii. That won't happen until at least 9/11/09.


The paranoia that flows from ican's tight grip on his wallet causes him to suffer from conservative delusions. The President's mother died several years ago from cancer. Her health insurance company refused to cover necessary medical treatment. Lack of appropriate healthcare in our nation killed her long ago. Thus, Ican's immoral desire for the President's mother to be annihilated by a N. Korean rocket will never come to fruition.

JTT
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:46 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
You simply cannot sock it to the rich and hurt them. You will hurt the poor when you try.


You're simply repeating those memes again, Foxy. Remember, the antithesis of education.

You don't have the foggiest notion what effects any taxes will have. You've likely even misrepresented what is to transpire.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:57 pm
@JTT,
JTT, the accuser of the USA's killing of mass murderers, wrote:
The USA causes nothing but murder and mayhem. ... Stay out of it, you always **** it up royally...

OK USA, let's stay out of it! Let's leave the mass murderers alone so they can more efficiently kill non-murderers.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 04:57 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
For those who still read, as wel have already pointed out, Obama has already raised taxes on the poorest of the poor, the middle class, AND the rich with his hefty new tax on cigarettes.


A flat tax for everyone! Libertarians rejoice! Go Obama!


Foxfyre wrote:
If he should get his cap and trade initiative through too, we will all feel in significant ways the taxes/fees that will be included in that.


Creating market incentives to change consumer behaviour and thereby creating a demand for better energy efficiency rather than restrictive government regulations! Go free markets! Go Obama!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Apr, 2009 05:02 pm
@Debra Law,
Wasn't it about 1995?
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