AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Way to go Rush! I heard that clip--listening provides a much clearer impression than just reading the transcript--and it is high time he started telling off these seminar callers posing as somebody they are not. They frequently call into conservative talk show programs all the time with the same mantra--you can almost write the script before they say it. It is obviously organized.

Rush is generally less combative than that, but that hate-filled insulting caller had it coming.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Way to go Rush! I heard that clip--listening provides a much clearer impression than just reading the transcript--and it is high time he started telling off these seminar callers posing as somebody they are not. They frequently call into conservative talk show programs all the time with the same mantra--you can almost write the script before they say it. It is obviously organized.

Rush is generally less combative than that, but that hate-filled insulting caller had it coming.

How do you know the guy wasn't really a Republican? Is there some part that tips you off to this, or do you just not believe someone can be Republican if they are against Rush and his bullshit?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I know and Rush knew because seminar callers are easy to spot. They get their talking points of the week and they all parrot the same kinds of stuff when they call the various programs. They all start off--I'm a Republican, but. . . .

The genuine Republicans who call to complain about whatever talk differently, they don't attack the host with ad hominem insults, and they have legitimate gripes, some of which the hosts will agree with and some not.

This guy Rush took to task was a seminar caller.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Way to go Rush!

Foxfyre wrote:

that hate-filled insulting caller had it coming.

It's funny. You act insulted when somebody suggests that Limbaugh and the other far right entertainers are the true leadership of the conservative movement, but when somebody professes to be a conservative or Republican and disagrees with Rush, he obviously must be a fraud.

Seems like in order to be a true conservative, one has to agree with the far right nutjobs.

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@old europe,

Not at all. You must have skimmed over the insulting hateful tone this caller was using--did you listen to the clip?--and the calm, measured tone Rush used. (I heard the original broadcast in real time and listened to the clip.) Did you ignore the names the caller was using to describe Rush et al, how much he was excoriating the radio hosts? I get really really tired of leftwing types who consider themselves to be so morally superior and so much more rational and competent than anybody who holds views right of center.

Did you ignore the part of my post where the callers don't always agree with Rush or Hannity or whatever? Such callers who express their views objectively and honestly are ALWAYS--that is EVERY SINGLE TIME without exception--are treated with respect and courtesy by the hosts. (I also get really tired of leftwing types who read selectively and ignore anything that is inconvenient to their judgmental views.)

I apologize for feeling especially snippy today, but I'm not in the mood for a great deal of patience with arrogance, stupidity, non sequitur or strawmen assumptions, or smug judgmentalism. Tomorrow I'll be my more calm lovable self.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I know and Rush knew because seminar callers are easy to spot. They get their talking points of the week and they all parrot the same kinds of stuff when they call the various programs. They all start off--I'm a Republican, but. . . .

The genuine Republicans who call to complain about whatever talk differently, they don't attack the host with ad hominem insults, and they have legitimate gripes, some of which the hosts will agree with and some not.

This guy Rush took to task was a seminar caller.

Ah, mmm hmm. No chance at all that the guy was an actual Republican who just is fed up with the bullshit.

This sort of thing is probably why Republican self-identification in recent polling is at the lowest levels in decades - you guys are pushing out anyone who doesn't agree with the hardest-core Conservatives, and that does not bode well for your party's future.

Cycloptichorn

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@old europe,

Foxie keeps running into her own contradictions without knowing it, because she can support both sides of every argument without realizing it.

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@Cycloptichorn,

No argument that Republians are having an identity crisis due to an irresponsible representation in Congress for eight years coupled with the most socially liberal Republican president elected ever. The GOP may in fact be too far gone to rescue.

Which is why a viable third party option is beginning to look more and more attractive to Modern American Conservatives.

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@Foxfyre,

Yup, all the MACs should start a third party. ROFL

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

No argument that Republians are having an identity crisis due to an irresponsible representation in Congress for eight years coupled with the most socially liberal Republican president elected ever. The GOP may in fact be too far gone to rescue.

Which is why a viable third party option is beginning to look more and more attractive to Modern American Conservatives.

I wonder if you guys have considered the enormity of the challenge that would be. There's no party infrastructure built up for a third, Conservative party; and that stuff is important! You'd have to do it from the ground up, and that's tough.

Which is my way of saying, I guess, that fracturing your coalition seems like a way to keep us Dems in power for a long, long time.

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

You must have skimmed over the insulting hateful tone this caller was using--did you listen to the clip?--and the calm, measured tone Rush used.

I listened to the clip. You must be kidding.

Of course, once you've pushed the "mute" button, you have all the time in the world to take your opponent down and be "calm and measured".

But before that, I'd say they're discussing on pretty much the same level.

Foxfyre wrote:

Did you ignore the names the caller was using to describe Rush et al, how much he was excoriating the radio hosts?

Oh. Poor Rush. Somebody is calling him names? Excoriating him? I think I have to cry now.

What I heard was that the caller brought up several actual points (Rush's defense of torture, Rush's campaign for Hillary) that he thought weren't beneficial for conservatives. Rush never actually replied to that.

Foxfyre wrote:

I get really really tired of leftwing types who consider themselves to be so morally superior and so much more rational and competent than anybody who holds views right of center.

Apparently, you are also really tired of those rightwing types who consider themselves to be so morally superior and so much more rational and competent than anybody who holds views right of center.

Foxfyre wrote:

Did you ignore the part of my post where the callers don't always agree with Rush or Hannity or whatever? Such callers who express their views objectively and honestly are ALWAYS--that is EVERY SINGLE TIME without exception--are treated with respect and courtesy by the hosts.

So you're saying that Rush only behaves like an asshole when somebody calls him names?

Okay. Might be that case. Who knows. Then again, there's also the option of not behaving like a complete idiot, in public, on your own radio show, merely because some caller comes up with an unflattering name for you. But I guess that "He did it first" is a good justification in some circles.

Foxfyre wrote:

(I also get really tired of leftwing types who read selectively and ignore anything that is inconvenient to their judgmental views.)

Aw, Foxfyre, if you want to insult me, why not come out and just call me ignorant and judgemental? Is that merely so you can hide behind a vague wording and claim that you didn't really mean me? That, if I were to take offense, it would be entirely my fault?

You're funny.

Foxfyre wrote:

I apologize for feeling especially snippy today, but I'm not in the mood for a great deal of patience with arrogance, stupidity, non sequitur or strawmen assumptions, or smug judgmentalism. Tomorrow I'll be my more calm lovable self.

Look, just go ahead and call the posters that you find so annoying "arrogant", "stupid" and "smug"! It's way easier, and you'll feel better afterwards!

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

No argument that Republians are having an identity crisis due to an irresponsible representation in Congress for eight years

It's funny how "Republicans" only discovered that kind of "irresponsible representation in Congress" after they lost the majority there and were voted out of the White House.

But I'll give you the benefit of doubt: you probably silently opposed the Republican administration and the Republican majority in Congress all those years. You just couldn't be caught actually telling anybody, because the alternative of a Democratic administration and Democratic majority in Congress would have been so much worse - right?

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@old europe,

Good response, oe. Thanks for telling it like it is in the real world.

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@old europe,

If you were the least bit objective and open minded, you wouldn't even suggest that I silently opposed the Republican administration and the Republican majority all those years. You would know better.

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@Foxfyre,

Okay.

You didn't oppose the Republican administration and the Republican majority all those years.

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@old europe,

And you just told a flat out lie.

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@Foxfyre,

Aw? Wasn't that what you were trying to say?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

And you just told a flat out lie.

You certainly didn't make any real effort to oppose them. You supported them here on A2K. You may have grumbled some about stuff they did but you generally took the side of the Admin and the Republican Congress on almost every decision they made and derided all of us dirty hippies who complained about their frequent abuses of the law and idiotic moves.

Unless by 'oppose' you mean something different than what most people mean?

Cycloptichorn

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@old europe,

Yeah, I would also like to see the criticisms from Foxie of the Bush administration during the eight years Bush controlled the administration.

We can learn pretty quickly who the liar is.

For it to be a "real" criticism, it was be equal to what Foxie has said about Obama during the past year.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I certainly did make a LOT of effort to oppose them. I opposed President Bush's insane new entitlement with the Senior prescription bill. I ranted and raved consistently about his intent to give amnesty to illegal aliens. At no time in no thread on this or any other forum did I approve the runaway spending and fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated by the GOP and accepted if not condoned by President Bush. I ranted against the unwise and counter productive steel tariff he recommended and imposed. I ranted against his more unwise appointments--Harriet Miers comes immediately to mind--and including an incompetent and unqualified FEMA director. I deplored his incompetent prosecution of the Iraq war in the early running and admitted he accepted some really bad advice. I did not think he rang the alarm bells loudly enough of the coming financial collapse though he did repeatedly ring them and I thought he didn't push hard enough to push Congress to allow increased energy development such as drilling offshore and ANWR and exploration of the shale oil deposits. He caved in to bogus science on environmental issues. While NCLB wasn't a horrible program, I thought it had no place as a federal initiative.

That's just some and I have complained about ALL of these here on A2K and elsewhere--I believe certainly most if not all here on A2K.

But because I can also see the many things he got right and have acknowledged some real accomplishments, that is all that the myopic left seems to be able to see.

It isn't much different from those of us who can agree that President Obama has this or that right, but if we criticize ANYTHING re him, then that is all most on the left seem to be able to see.

Now, would you please list all those things that you have pointed out that President Bush did well or got right? And would you list a few things for which you have criticized President Obama?

No? OE probably won't do that either.

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