AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

No, our high school did not have a class named that, nor did I take it in college, I was more interested in more applicable classes. As to your comment in another post that I am not interested in history, I was not interested in it as a younger person, but later I became interested.

But back to Marx, no I don't regard Marx as a great man, he was a famous man, but not great. Not unless you believe a philosophy that requires force to maintain, leading to suffering, torture, and death. If you call that great, then you are entitled to your opinion, but I have mine as well.

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I think, Smith was a great man of his time, as was Marx - to name another but diametrically opposed philosopher of that period.

Both "theories" have developed over the years. But you still find a few, who follow strictly Marx. And Smith.

I don't agree with both concepts - but I don't live in their times either. (But I understand from where they came - otherwise many years at history departments would have been watsed )

You misread the WSJ article, because your assumptions are still 180 degrees off.

When wages remained stagnant while GDP continued to grow, that growth was supported through higher debt - which cannot be sustained for very long.

Where did you learn economics?

Here's a great graph showing this - and it's from the WSJ itself:

No, our high school did not have a class named that, nor did I take it in college, I was more interested in more applicable classes. As to your comment in another post that I am not interested in history, I was not interested in it as a younger person, but later I became interested.

But back to Marx, no I don't regard Marx as a great man, he was a famous man, but not great. Not unless you believe a philosophy that requires force to maintain, leading to suffering, torture, and death. If you call that great, then you are entitled to your opinion, but I have mine as well.

Could you please give some quotes where Marx' philosophy requires torture, death, leads to suffering etc?

The fact is that both Adolph Hitler and Vladimir Lenin were great admirers and quasi-disciples of Marx and used Marx's theories to undergird their own. And it was by their hand that millions died.

It was thugs like Hitler and Lenin who took that teaching to extremes, not Marx.

Hitler was a leftist, however, Walter. Not much doubt about that if you look at it honestly, and forget the indoctrination of the left that propagates him as a right wing extremist. Hitler rose to power through the labor movement, and he railed against the rich, the capitalists, and all the rest of the stuff, alot of the same mindsets you see right here on A2K to be honest.

Well if that is true, then it it shouldn't be too difficult to find and post an example of that should it? As I told Walter, if I did it, it was inadvertent, but I'll own up to it. I do have a difficult time taking seriously insulting and ad hominem accusations from somebody incapable of articulating a rational point or being civil in making a point. I do hope you understand.

And I do assume those who get out of that kind of challenge by saying that it would be futile to do so to be a clear admission that my accuser is unable to do so and is definitely a run for the tall grass.

Re: Cycloptichorn(Post 3589072)
Because of your propensity for "did too - did not' style of debate, which becomes very tiresome after awhile, I will decline to go back to all those links at this time. If you care to address the information in those links and dispute it with anything authoritative, go for it. You are still building strawmen by saying things like "the CRA is responsible' which neither I nor any of my links have asserted. You haven't acknowledged, much less indicated that you understand the point of view I am expressing.

Walter, making allowances for English not being your first language, I need to point out something here. It is illustrative of the kind of thing that I object to when people misquote me:

Okie wrote

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But back to Marx, no I don't regard Marx as a great man, he was a famous man, but not great. Not unless you believe a philosophy that requires force to maintain, leading to suffering, torture, and death. If you call that great, then you are entitled to your opinion, but I have mine as well.

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Could you please give some quotes where Marx' philosophy requires torture, death, leads to suffering etc?

Look carefully. Okie didn't say that Marx's philosophy requires torture, etc. He said Marx's philosophy requires force to maintain leading to torture. . . .

You can appreciate that Marx did teach that to achieve the utopia he envisioned where the protelariat would be able to live in the perfect society, the government would have to exert force and controls. Yes?

It was thugs like Hitler and Lenin who took that teaching to extremes, not Marx.

This I believe is the intent of what Okie said......he did not say that Marx's philosophy requires torture etc. . . .

And not directed at you specifically, but directed to all the liberals who inadvertently (which I think you did) or intentionally, which some others do, change a word or two to change a member's intent is dishonest and will usually sidetrack an otherwise good, intellectually challenging discussion of a topic.

It also gets really tiresome to be further attacked and accused when I object to that, but that's another discussion.