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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
old europe
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 10:24 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
You guys asked how they got into the mortgage mess--you obviously couldn't explain it when I asked you--and I gave you the best explanation I had.


Well, you obviously don't read and/or understand the articles that are being posted, I would say....
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 10:38 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Well what you posted appears to have been written by a blogger named Milton Berle who referenced a three-line snippet out of context by Robert Gordon who, if memory serves me, is that guy who makes a career of smearing, trashing, and writing derogatory commentary on Republicans. Usually writes for the American Prospect I think.

Now if you can find something on this written by Barry Ritholz, with his signature line, that could be instructive. That is if he actually is an economist. The only guy with that name I pulled up is an attorney, but I suppose he could have credentials in economics too. The bio just didn't mention any.


The blog, bigpicture.typepad.com, belongs to Barry Ritholz. In fact, since the time this post has been written last October, the web address has changed to -

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

From the 'about' section on that blog?

Quote:

Curriculum Vitae


A frequent commentator on CNBC, Barry L. Ritholtz is a regular guest on Kudlow & Company, Power Lunch and Fast Money. He has guest-hosted Squawk Box on numerous occasions, and also appears regularly on Bloomberg, Fox, and PBS¹. Mr. Ritholtz was profiled in the Wall Street Journal’s Quite Contrary column (August 3, 2004; Page C3). His market perspectives are quoted regularly in the Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, Forbes, Fortunes, and other print media².

He is deeply honored to be the dedicatee of the The 2007 Stock Trader’s Almanac’s 40th Anniversary edition. Mr. Ritholtz is the author of the forthcoming book, Bailout Nation, published by McGraw Hill in the first quarter of 2009. He is a sought after speaker at conferences and panels, and regularly appears on radio and television.

Beyond his weekly commentary and published articles, Mr. Ritholtz also authors The Big Picture " a leading financial weblog. The Big Picture covers Investing & Trading to Macro Economics, and everything else in between. The blog has quickly amassed over 35 million visitors.

Media accolades have poured in for The Big Picture from the NYT (“Trenchant economic commentary”) and the WSJ (”What the In-Crowd Knows). The Journal cited The Big Picture as the Economic “Blog Insiders Read to Stay Current;” Business Week noted its “insightful calls on the direction of the stock market” (Blogging For Dollars). CNBC’s Larry Kudlow described it as “very helpful and addictive " the best stock market blog there is.” Numerous traffic sites rank The Big Picture as the most trafficked Markets/Economic’s blog on the web.

Ritholtz’ longstanding interest in media and technology led him to Burst.com, a publicly traded software firm focusing on faster-than-real-time audio and video streaming over the internet. He has served on the firm’s Board of Directors for the past 4 years. His expertise in digital media has led top tier Newspapers and Magazines to consult with him on the development of their online strategies.

Mr. Ritholtz is CEO and Director of Equity Research at Fusion IQ, an online quantitative research firm. For the first time, the company is making their institutional grade research product available to individual traders and investors.

Recently, Mr. Ritholtz was Chief Market Strategist for Maxim Group a New York Investment bank, managing over $5 Billion in clients assets. Applying his model to the broader investing environment, Mr. Ritholtz wrote weekly Market Commentary for the firm’s brokers and institutional clientele.

Mr. Ritholtz is the author of the popular “Apprenticed Investor” columns at TheStreet.com, a series geared towards educating novice and intermediate investors. Mr. Ritholtz also publishes more formal analyses, often at The Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, or RealMoney.com3.

Hailed as a “bright and savvy fellow” by Alan Abelson’s Up and Down Wall Street column (Barron’s), he is one of handful of Strategists who participate in BusinessWeek’s annual market forecast. He teaches a course on The Economy of America for New York University’s School of Continuing & Professional Studies.

Mr. Ritholtz performed his graduate studies at Yeshiva University’s Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law in New York, where he focused on Economics, Anti-Trust and Corporate Law. He was a member of the Law Review, and graduated Cum Laude with a 3.56 GPA.

His undergraduate work was at Stony Brook University, where on a Regents Scholarship, he focused on Mathematics and Physics, graduating with an Associates degree in Political Science. He was a member of the Stony Brook Equestrian Team, and competed successfully in the National Championships (1981) of the Intercollegiate Horse Show Association. In addition to writing the National Affairs column for the campus weekly (The Stony Brook Press), he was elected Vice-President of the student body.

When not bemoaning the New York Knicks‘ all-too-frequent offensive lapses, Mr. Ritholtz is a vintage sports car enthusiast. He and his wife Wendy, an artist and teacher, and their hairy dog Max, live on the North Shore of Long Island, New York.


Did you bother to look on the blog itself?

Cyclotichorn
Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 10:48 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
So what is Mr. Ritholz's take on the CRA as the fuse or catalyst that started the snowball rolling that has resulted in the current financial crisis?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 10:52 pm
@Foxfyre,
"Fuse or catalyst?" Your brain sure does work in strange ways.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 11:15 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

So what is Mr. Ritholz's take on the CRA as the fuse or catalyst that started the snowball rolling that has resulted in the current financial crisis?


Well, I did put exactly this line in bold when I pasted his article two pages ago -

Quote:

The CRA is not remotely one of the proximate causes of the current credit crunch, Housing collapse,and mortgage debacle. As I detailed in Barron's, there is plenty of things to be angry at D.C. about -- but this ain't one of them.


Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
  -1  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 11:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well that's really out of context and I haven't found any place where HE said that. I've just found where bloggers have said that he said it and those quotes are all over the place on leftwing blogs. But let's go with this as if this is his opinion and his intent would not change if we were able to put the quote into context.

Based on his assertion that the CRA was not the proximate cause of the current financial crisis--that being a legal term used by lawyers, certain insurance types, etc.--I would agree.

Quote:
Proximate cause is the primary cause of an injury. It is not necessarily the closest cause in time or space nor the first event that sets in motion a sequence of events leading to an injury. Proximate cause produces particular, foreseeable consequences without the intervention of any independent or unforeseeable cause. It is also known as legal cause.


But it does not rebut that it was the CRA that was the beginning; i.e. the mechanism (catalyst, fuse, whatever you want to call it) that the government abused to set the events in motion that led to the current crisis. Certainly nobody could foresee what would be wrought by the imprudent actions.

The CRA was like loading the gun that was then placed in a drawer where it caused no problems until somebody decided to use it for corrupt or imprudent uses. In other words, the CRA itself was not the problem but rather how the CRA was used/abused. The CRA was the grounds that our government used to pressure lending institutions to make risky loans.

I've noticed most of the leftwing blogs interpret blaming the CRA as the same thing as blaming poor people for getting houses. I haven't seen anybody here do that either. If somebody offered me a bigger house for the same money, that would be really hard to turn down if I had no way of knowing that the house would soon be worth less than i owed on it. Or with interest rates so low and credit so easy to get, and nothing being required for a down payment, it would take a pretty tough person to not take advantage of a good investment proeprty, especially with housing prices rising month by month.

But if you don't have anything invested in the property, it requires somebody with a lot of integrity to keep making payments on a property worth less than what you owe on it. And many simply didn't. It was not so hard to walk away from your home when you can't sell it but you don't have any equity in it either. After all bad credit wasn't a hindrance to anybody getting a new loan there for awhile. You see the ads on TV every day--bad credit? No problem.

What investor isn't going to take advantage of terrific profits in the market? What bank isn't going to take loans in any state when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are underwriting the risk? What insurance company is going to turn down billions in available premiums or other investments?

There were so many factors that went into the current financial mess that we're in. But I still say that without the CRA and certain elected leaders taking advantage of it for their own purposes, we would not be in the same mess now.
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Mon 2 Mar, 2009 11:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
That was the line from the piece I posted, written by Ritholz. That's Barry Ritholz' blog. He writes everything that is on it. And he lists off about 10 reasons why the CRA was not the cause of the crisis, and then clearly states the CRA was not the cause of the housing crisis. So I don't know what more context you want me to provide or how much more specific you could want someone to be.

As for the rest, proximate cause vs. catalyst?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2268/2255581637_a59a956bfe.jpg

Cycloptichorn


cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:08 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxie wrote:
Quote:
The CRA was like loading the gun that was then placed in a drawer where it caused no problems until somebody decided to use it for corrupt or imprudent uses.


I just love the conservative prose of the English language, and how they are able to talk about a completely different subject in describing the current economic events to make it sound much more ominous than what they're trying to describe. Their imagination is second to none.
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Foxfyre
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 11:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Proximate cause is not necessarily the catalyst. I didn't ask for any more specificity. I don't know anything about Ritholz other than what you posted. It certainly is not obvious that he writes everything the blog, however. Why would he sign his own post with Milton Berle? But I don't care either. The few clues obvious on the blog is it comes from a far leftwing perspective, which does not disqualify it from the debate, but neither does it provide PROOF any more than anything I posted qualify as PROOF. It is all somebody's opinion.

So far, however, I have provided a whole lot more of such informed opinion, than you have and the preponderance of the evidence provided so far, from informed sources, comes down on the side of the CRA being the catalyst.

Of course an Obama-ite disciple would not want to link the CRA to the current economic crisis as the Obama administration is pushing socialism as it has never been pushed before and it is not convenient to illustrate the problems and consequences of such socialism while they do that.

That was where I was focused on this entire discussion. From the perspective I have gain through reading all of it, the CRA was well intended as is virtually everything of that nature that Congress does. But because government, for its own benefit, has incentive to misuse and abuse the very government programs that were intended to help--or at the very least it so poorly manages and administrates them that there is huge room for much mischief--the misuse and abuse of the principles contained in the CRA did start and helped perpetuate the process that brought us to this current situation.

I don't think anybody using the honest history behind it, can deny that.

You did however, finally, after multiple requests, find something you could post for a rebuttal. Smile
Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 11:33 am
@Foxfyre,
He ended is blog post with a quote from Milton Berle. Generally, that's what quotation remarks denote, but here I thought you would have known that already.

I assert that none of your sources are economists and none of them got into any specific detail about the CRA at all. Instead, they are pundits who assert the CRA is responsible. I have posted pieces from the head of the FDIC and FED who disagree with your sources, along with many other economists, in my wikipedia link above. You can complain that Ritholz is a leftist, and while I don't agree (he certainly is not one on most issues), he does display a great deal of actual knowledge about the CRA and the housing crisis, far more than any of your sources have, who generally rely upon assertion instead of incisive questions or data.

Please link to an actual economist discussing specific effects of the CRA, not some nebulous 'pressure' theory. Your sources have been trumped by my posting of actual experts in the field, not just political pundits.

I didn't respond to this point earlier, b/c the idea that the CRA is responsible for this mess is laughable and nobody outside of the fever swamps takes it seriously for a second. It's like claiming that our selling of WMD to Iraq in the mid-80's led to the second Iraq war directly; while there are connections between the events, there is no causal link, and the burden lies upon those who would assert there is one, to provide proof that there is one. So far neither you nor your pundits have done that at all.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
  0  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 11:45 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Because of your propensity for "did too - did not' style of debate, which becomes very tiresome after awhile, I will decline to go back to all those links at this time. If you care to address the information in those links and dispute it with anything authoritative, go for it. You are still building strawmen by saying things like "the CRA is responsible' which neither I nor any of my links have asserted. You haven't acknowledged, much less indicated that you understand the point of view I am expressing.

I accept that your point of view is that the CRA was not a component of this.

I disagree and have provided support for my opinion.

I don't think we are likely to resolve that at this time.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 11:51 am
@Foxfyre,
Support of opinion by other bloggers is not support. You don't let a mechanic do surgery on you.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 11:54 am
@Foxfyre,
I assert that you have not provided evidence to support your opinion. Because you are too lazy to check your earlier sources, I will do so later today and show that none of them go into any actual, specific detail about the problem, but instead merely assert that the CRA is responsible, much as you have done.

This is not persuasive and I suspect that is why actual economists do not support your position. Something about a lack of proof will do that.

In the meantime, surely you can find a single credible source to back up your position? What you have provided up until now is not sufficient.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:08 pm
Opinion noted Cyclop, and until you provide something other than did too-did not stuff, I will move on.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:12 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Opinion noted Cyclop, and until you provide something other than did too-did not stuff, I will move on.


What you call 'did-too' stuff is a judgment that your position is lacking in evidence or logic. Seeing as you have been shown to not really understand the problem - not knowing that AIG was basically committing fraud and everyone knew it - sort of proves that you are really, really wrong on this issue. Your stubborn insistence that you are correct is only digging the hole deeper.

But, being a helpful sort, I'm going to help you keep digging by pointing out how useless your sources have been up to this point. I suggest that you find some better ones if you wish to keep your head above ground level in this conversation, as right now - it isn't going well for your position whatsoever, and I think you know this.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:12 pm
I ran across this piece by Mr. Ritholz that supports just about everything I've said on this so far, however. I would love to sit down with him, one on one, to see if he would agree that without the CRA, it would have been much more difficult for Congress and the Clinton and Bush administrations to have botched this as badly as it has been done. He definitely lays the problem at the feet of the government that was the entity that could have prevented it, headed it off, or lessened the severity.

Quote:
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2008
OTHER VOICES
A Memo Found in the Street
By BARRY L. RITHOLTZ

Uncle Sam the enabler.
To: Washington, D.C.
From: Wall Street
Re: Credit Crisis

Dear D.C.,

WOW, WE'VE MADE QUITE A MESS OF THINGS here on Wall Street: Fannie and Freddie in conservatorship, investment banks in the tank, AIG nationalized. Thanks for sending us your new trillion-dollar bailout.

We on Wall Street feel somewhat compelled to take at least some responsibility. We used excessive leverage, failed to maintain adequate capital, engaged in reckless speculation, created new complex derivatives. We focused on short-term profits at the expense of sustainability. We not only undermined our own firms, we destabilized the financial sector and roiled the global economy, to boot. And we got huge bonuses.

But here's a news flash for you, D.C.: We could not have done it without you. We may be drunks, but you were our enablers: Your legislative, executive, and administrative decisions made possible all that we did. Our recklessness would not have reached its soaring heights but for your governmental incompetence.

THIS MEMO PROVIDES A BRIEF HISTORY OF your actions that helped create this crisis.

1997: Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's famous "irrational exuberance" speech in 1996 was somehow ignored by, um, Fed Chairman Greenspan. The Fed missed the opportunity to change margin requirements. Had the Fed acted, the bubble would not have inflated as much, and the subsequent crash would not have been as severe.

1998: Long Term Capital Management was undercapitalized, used enormous amounts of leverage to purchase all manner of thinly traded, hard-to-value paper. It failed, and under the authority of the Federal Reserve a "private-sector" rescue plan was cobbled together. Had these bankers suffered big losses from LTCM, they might have thought twice before jumping into the exact same business model of undercapitalized, overleveraged, thinly traded, hard-to-value paper. Instead, they reaffirmed Benjamin Disraeli's famous aphorism: "What we learn from history is that we do not learn from history."

1999: The Financial Services Modernization Act repealed Glass-Steagall, a law that had separated the commercial-banking industry from Wall Street, and the two industries, plus insurance, came together again. Banks became bigger, clumsier, and hard to manage. Apparently, risk-management became all but impossible, even as banks had greater access to larger pools of capital.

2000: The Commodities Futures Modernization Act defined financial commodities such as "interest rates, currency prices, and stock indexes" as "excluded commodities." They could trade off the futures exchanges, with minimal oversight by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Neither the Securities and Exchange Commission, nor the Federal Reserve, nor any state insurance regulators had the ability to supervise or regulate the writing of credit-default swaps by hedge funds, investment banks or insurance companies.

2001-'03: Alan Greenspan's Fed dropped federal-fund rates to 1%. Lulled into a false belief that inflation was not a problem, the Fed then kept rates at 1% for more than a year. This set off an inflationary spiral in housing, and a desperate hunt for yield by fixed-income managers.

2003-'07: The Federal Reserve failed to use its supervisory and regulatory authority over banks, mortgage underwriters and other lenders, who abandoned such standards as employment history, income, down payments, credit rating, assets, property loan-to-value ratio and debt-servicing ability. The borrower's ability to repay these mortgages was replaced with the lender's ability to securitize and repackage them.

2004: The SEC waived its leverage rules. Previously, broker/dealer net-capital rules limited firms to a maximum debt-to-net-capital ratio of 12 to 1. This 2004 exemption allowed them to exceed this leverage rule. Only five firms -- Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Morgan Stanley -- were granted this exemption; they promptly levered up 20, 30 and even 40 to 1.

2005-'07: Unscrupulous home appraisers found that they could attract more business by inflating appraisals. Intrinsic value was ignored, so referrals kept coming in. This helped borrowers obtain financing at prices that were increasingly unsupportable. When honest appraisers petitioned both Congress and the bureaucracy to intervene in the widespread fraud, neither branch of government acted.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE we could add to these items. We could mention impotent supervision of Fannie and Freddie by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight; the negligent oversight on ratings agencies; the Boskin Commission's monkeying around with how inflation gets measured; the "Greenspan Put," etc.

We could mention former Fed Governor Edward Gramlich, who warned about making home loans to people who could not afford them, and who said the runaway subprime-mortgage industry would create problems in housing and the credit markets. But Gramlich was up against a Fed chairman who apparently believed that markets can regulate themselves. (Gramlich died last year, three months after the housing bubble started to deflate.)

We on Wall Street do not deny our part. We created these securities, we rated them triple-A, we traded them without understanding them. Now that they have gone bad, we are real close to getting the rest of the country to take them off our hands.

Thanks, D.C. None of this would have been possible without you.
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122246742997580395.html
Cycloptichorn
 
  3  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:20 pm
@Foxfyre,
Yes, because of a lack of regulation, the market collapse. Regulation, the very thing your side says is unnecessary for business to thrive. You will note that the words 'CRA' or 'Community Reinvestment Act' are not in this piece. You will also note in his earlier piece that he specifically stated that the CRA had nothing to do with the housing crisis. How can you say you'd like to ask him what he thinks about this? He's already told you what he thinks about the CRA.

Surely you understand that the SEC and FED, under both Clinton and Bush, failed to do their jobs properly and regulate the market correctly? And the solution is more regulation in the future?

Cycloptichorn
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genoves
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:22 pm
Foxfyre wrote:

1 Reply report Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:12 pm I ran across this piece by Mr. Ritholz that supports just about everything I've said on this so far, however. I would love to sit down with him, one on one, to see if he would agree that without the CRA, it would have been much more difficult for Congress and the Clinton and Bush administrations to have botched this as badly as it has been done. He definitely lays the problem at the feet of the government that was the entity that could have prevented it, headed it off, or lessened the severity.

Quote:
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 2008
OTHER VOICES
A Memo Found in the Street
By BARRY L. RITHOLTZ

Uncle Sam the enabler.
To: Washington, D.C.
From: Wall Street
Re: Credit Crisis

Dear D.C.,

WOW, WE'VE MADE QUITE A MESS OF THINGS here on Wall Street: Fannie and Freddie in conservatorship, investment banks in the tank, AIG nationalized. Thanks for sending us your new trillion-dollar bailout.

We on Wall Street feel somewhat compelled to take at least some responsibility. We used excessive leverage, failed to maintain adequate capital, engaged in reckless speculation, created new complex derivatives. We focused on short-term profits at the expense of sustainability. We not only undermined our own firms, we destabilized the financial sector and roiled the global economy, to boot. And we got huge bonuses.

But here's a news flash for you, D.C.: We could not have done it without you. We may be drunks, but you were our enablers: Your legislative, executive, and administrative decisions made possible all that we did. Our recklessness would not have reached its soaring heights but for your governmental incompetence.

THIS MEMO PROVIDES A BRIEF HISTORY OF your actions that helped create this crisis.

1997: Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's famous "irrational exuberance" speech in 1996 was somehow ignored by, um, Fed Chairman Greenspan. The Fed missed the opportunity to change margin requirements. Had the Fed acted, the bubble would not have inflated as much, and the subsequent crash would not have been as severe.

1998: Long Term Capital Management was undercapitalized, used enormous amounts of leverage to purchase all manner of thinly traded, hard-to-value paper. It failed, and under the authority of the Federal Reserve a "private-sector" rescue plan was cobbled together. Had these bankers suffered big losses from LTCM, they might have thought twice before jumping into the exact same business model of undercapitalized, overleveraged, thinly traded, hard-to-value paper. Instead, they reaffirmed Benjamin Disraeli's famous aphorism: "What we learn from history is that we do not learn from history."

1999: The Financial Services Modernization Act repealed Glass-Steagall, a law that had separated the commercial-banking industry from Wall Street, and the two industries, plus insurance, came together again. Banks became bigger, clumsier, and hard to manage. Apparently, risk-management became all but impossible, even as banks had greater access to larger pools of capital.

2000: The Commodities Futures Modernization Act defined financial commodities such as "interest rates, currency prices, and stock indexes" as "excluded commodities." They could trade off the futures exchanges, with minimal oversight by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Neither the Securities and Exchange Commission, nor the Federal Reserve, nor any state insurance regulators had the ability to supervise or regulate the writing of credit-default swaps by hedge funds, investment banks or insurance companies.

2001-'03: Alan Greenspan's Fed dropped federal-fund rates to 1%. Lulled into a false belief that inflation was not a problem, the Fed then kept rates at 1% for more than a year. This set off an inflationary spiral in housing, and a desperate hunt for yield by fixed-income managers.

2003-'07: The Federal Reserve failed to use its supervisory and regulatory authority over banks, mortgage underwriters and other lenders, who abandoned such standards as employment history, income, down payments, credit rating, assets, property loan-to-value ratio and debt-servicing ability. The borrower's ability to repay these mortgages was replaced with the lender's ability to securitize and repackage them.

2004: The SEC waived its leverage rules. Previously, broker/dealer net-capital rules limited firms to a maximum debt-to-net-capital ratio of 12 to 1. This 2004 exemption allowed them to exceed this leverage rule. Only five firms -- Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Morgan Stanley -- were granted this exemption; they promptly levered up 20, 30 and even 40 to 1.

2005-'07: Unscrupulous home appraisers found that they could attract more business by inflating appraisals. Intrinsic value was ignored, so referrals kept coming in. This helped borrowers obtain financing at prices that were increasingly unsupportable. When honest appraisers petitioned both Congress and the bureaucracy to intervene in the widespread fraud, neither branch of government acted.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT MORE we could add to these items. We could mention impotent supervision of Fannie and Freddie by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight; the negligent oversight on ratings agencies; the Boskin Commission's monkeying around with how inflation gets measured; the "Greenspan Put," etc.

We could mention former Fed Governor Edward Gramlich, who warned about making home loans to people who could not afford them, and who said the runaway subprime-mortgage industry would create problems in housing and the credit markets. But Gramlich was up against a Fed chairman who apparently believed that markets can regulate themselves. (Gramlich died last year, three months after the housing bubble started to deflate.)

We on Wall Street do not deny our part. We created these securities, we rated them triple-A, we traded them without understanding them. Now that they have gone bad, we are real close to getting the rest of the country to take them off our hands.

Thanks, D.C. None of this would have been possible without you.
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122246742997580395.html
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genoves
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:25 pm
Okie--Do you read Cyclops- He apparently thinks that his unsourced and undocumented opinion TRUMPS Fosfyre's evidence. I think Cyclops is delusional. He DID NOT respond to Foxfyre's post.
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old europe
 
  2  
Reply Tue 3 Mar, 2009 12:28 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
I ran across this piece by Mr. Ritholz that supports just about everything I've said on this so far, however.


Well, that's an interesting starting point. Because his main argument seems to be that there was just not enough oversight, that the market became too deregulated so companies could just go ahead and exploit those loopholes.

That seems to contradict your earlier point that the government, by interfering with the market too much and imposing too many regulations, implicitly caused the current crisis. So now you're saying that the government, by not regulating the market enough, caused the crisis?
 

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