AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Do you have any idea how large the national debt is? Do you have the slightest conception about how fast it's growing?

Its disgusting appeal to racists.

Its disgusting appeal to misogynists.

Its disgusting appeal to homophobes.

Its disgusting tendency to blame others for everything.

Its disgusting tendency to consider government to be something bad.

Its disgusting lack of empathy for the poor.

Its disgusting tendency to favor the rich.

Its disgusting tendency to drap itself in the flag when so many of its adherents wouldn't recognize real patriotism if they tripped over it.

Its disgusting tendency to lead us closer and closer to being a theocracy.

You got me there…I consider government to be something bad..a monster that won’t stay on its leash.

Read 'em over again, Foxfyre.

There is more than enough specificity there for anyone willing to see it.

If this doesn't get the job done for you...chances are, the job can't get done.

Okay, if I was going to debate the way you debate, then the following should be adequate to make my point and I shouldn't need anything further in the way of explanation:

I loath liberalism for the following reasons:

Its disgusting appeal to racists.

Its disgusting appeal to misogynists.

Its disgusting appeal to wierdos, terrorists, anti-Americanists, vandals, psychopaths, and murderers.

Its disgusting tendency to blame others for everything.

Its disgusting tendency to consider government to be the vehicle through which liberals gain ultimate and unquestionable power to force the world to bend to its will.

Its disgusting lack of concern for the poor.

Its disgusting tendency to erode personal responsibility, accountability, and initiative in favor of increasing dependence on liberals in power.

Its reprehensible immorality in confiscating the lawful property of one citizen and give it to another for no better reason than to merit a vote.

Its frightening willingness to silence dissent, set the political correctness police on any who dare tell it like it is, to limit the people's ability to defend themselves, or to limit choice in what is best for oneself and one's family.

Its turning schools into little indoctrination institutions instead of places of learning and complete education.

Its disgusting tendency to create increasing dependency on false promises to the extent that family structures are destroyed, vital neighborhoods are dismantled, and whole generations are subjected to impervious poverty while the children suffer, crime is rampant, and blight overtakes the land.

Its disgusting tendency to trash the flag and the values for which it stands that have made this country great even as liberals spit on those who still believe in those values.

Its disgusting tendency to lead us closer and closer to being a godless society at the mercy of a godless government that inevitably moves to ruthless totalitarianism or dictatorship as all godless societies have done.

Its disgusting....

...yeah, it is disgusting.

That is why I loathe it, Frank...because it is loathsome.

Few women appointed to high office were savaged to the extent that Condi Rice was savaged.

And no woman who has presume to vie for high office has been savaged to the extent that Sarah Palin was savaged. Any woman who presumes to criticize or accuse a Democrat of any misconduct will be trashed in the most unkind manner. (Carvilles comment about dragging a dollar through the trailer park for instance. . . .)

Add that to the liberal notion that women are inferior to men and therefore must be propped up and advantaged by liberal government programs, must be protected from sexist language or being made uncomfortable in the work place just because her male coworkers are behaving like guys.

Is that enough?

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Few women appointed to high office were savaged to the extent that Condi Rice was savaged.

That's not misogyny; she's as open to criticism as any other gov't official, male or female. It's only misogyny if she's hated on for being a woman or somehow implied that she wasn't up to the job due to it. I never saw any criticism of that type.

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And no woman who has presume to vie for high office has been savaged to the extent that Sarah Palin was savaged. Any woman who presumes to criticize or accuse a Democrat of any misconduct will be trashed in the most unkind manner. (Carvilles comment about dragging a dollar through the trailer park for instance. . . .)

Uh, that's because Palin is a ******* moron with a crazy personal life. None of that has anything to do with her gender.

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Add that to the liberal notion that women are inferior to men and therefore must be propped up and advantaged by liberal government programs, must be protected from sexist language or being made uncomfortable in the work place just because her male coworkers are behaving like guys.

Is that enough?

That's horseshit. Laws to protect women do not imply that they are inferior in any way. We have laws to protect lots of things, that doesn't imply a judgment of those things.

The thing is Frank, I can sell or at least support every single one of them with specific examples. That's all I asked for you to do. I don't think you can. I didn't want to get into a food fight over this stuff, however, as I don't think that is helpful. I would rather argue out different issues. But since you insist on blind prejudice, I just though it only fair to demonstrate what that would look like from the other side.

Cyclops, I suggest you are doing no good here calling names, using gutter language, as you merely show us what kind of character you have. People are here to express opinions, not to spew your hatreds around. I don't know what in the world has made you so ugly, but you need to look inward to find the answer, rather than attacking other people with vicious and hateful language. I have seen Foxfyre's posts on this forum for a long time, and she has shown herself to be a person of class, a person of honesty, a person of reason, a decent person, merely expressing her opinion. As to why you are so ugly, the answers lies within you. What kind of a person do you desire to be, its up to you, but spewing your hatred here does not in any way destroy other people, it destroys what is left of yourself.

Bull ****. These women were hated for being strong women. And they were criticized for their appearance, their femininity, their clothes, etc. etc. etc. that would never be applied to a guy.

I refer you to my previous comment.

Well if they're seen as strong and capable and tough as the guys in the work place, why do they need special protection?

Whatever Frank. Those who can't defend their point of view usually change the subject or accuse the one asking of putting out hoops to jump through or something like that.

I'm satisfied to believe that you operate from mostly blind prejudice because I don't believe you can make a case for any of your points except in very limited anecdotal incidents and because you are unwilling to discuss it in any more than in very general blanket terms.

I am also willing to listen if you should change your mind and decide to defend what appears to be an extremely prejudicial point of view.