AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Running out of tolerance...another fine liberal attribute!

Yeah, like conservatives never ran out of tolerance as Bush destroyed our country...

And you have the gall to talk about "common sense."

Thank you, Foxfyre. And I marvel at the fact that you stay so calm and on point all the time. No reason to hate each other...just because we have strong feelings about the issue we are discussing.

Thanks for calling the additional paragraph to my attention. I would have missed it.

I've often wondered since liberals are so intolerant of any kind of intolerance. Isn't that intolerant?

Are some of us presuming to be perfect specimens? I surely am not one. I know it my heart that it shouldn't bother me to hear you and others spout bullshit and lies all day long, as you seek justification after justification for your inherent greed. But, I must admit, it does bother me. And I certainly don't go out of my way to come to A2K to keep my mouth shut about what's on my mind.

Cycloptichorn

Nor do they. LOL

I am a MAC.

I believe there is irrefutable historical evidence that republics collapse into anarchies, dictatorships, and/or conquered nations, when their governments are corrupted into government charities and, like our present government, lower their priority for meeting their principal responsibility of securing their citizen's lives, liberties, and pursuits of happiness (e.g., pursuits of property). Continuation of this behavior by our government officials will lead to the distruction of our republic.

Elected members of our government plus the appointed members of our judiciary pledge to support our Constitution as amended, each time they begin a new term of office. However, they each term of office are increasingly failing to fully honor their pledges.

I believe too many recipients of public rather than private charity become permanently, mentally crippled into believing that government should take from those who have more and give it to those who haveless in order to equalize what everyone has. They have succeeded in convincing much of our present government of the validity of their belief. If that belief isn't rejected by most of our government, both those who currently have less as well as those who currently have more will all have less--much less!

As you can read above, Cyclop...the bullshit is getting even deeper.

Foxie, Please spell out for us all those "intolerance" that you seem to notice?

Folks, here is a perfect example of a really fringe and extreme leftie thinking process. Here he attacks Foxfyre, a perfectly decent and honest citizen. He accuses of bs, lies, and greed. Such people are in fact dangerous, and if enough of them gain power in this country, it will not be a good day. This is what George Bush described, and Bush was a man of class, he likened the disagreements of policy as "differences of opinion." In contrast, lefties cannot abide a different opinion, everyone must agree with them, or they are labeled liars, greedy, war criminals, and worse, and if enough power is gained, they will shut up their opposition.

Now, cyclops, to address you, I posted my opinion respectfully, that I believe your mindset is wrong and even dangerous. I do not hate you, nor do I think you intentionally lie, I think you are just wrong, and terribly misguided, okay.

The interview of Arlen Specter by Hannity was very revealing. Basically he said he negotiated for a deal that he did not believe in, but he thought it was the best he could get. So he voted for it. So he in essence voted for what he thought was a bad bill. I think he has lost his way, and should be thrown out of Congress next time around, hopefully.

Sure.

I'm sure you're going to vote for the other guy... Republican's love you guys. They don't even have to stand for anything you believe in (or claim to believe in). They know you'll never voted for the independent or the other team to get them out.

They got you wrapped around their finger.
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okie, You are a putz; Bush had the most secretive administration in modern times, and he didn't want anybody who disagreed with him. People who challenged his ideas were booted out. You haven't been paying any attention to king George during his eight years in office. He approved of torture of prisoners, approved illegal wiretaps, and pretty much put our country into this financial spin into a major crisis. He didn't even finish what he started such as the Iraq war that's now costing us ten billion every month. Many of our soldiers are now committing suicide, and now outnumber the actual casualty rate of the war. The vets are now homeless in larger numbers than during the Vietnam war.

These are not just "differences of opinion." These are facts that you MACs are deaf, dumb and blind to.

You talk about "leftie thinking process," but fail to understand history or the facts as they stand today about the Bush crimes.

Hopeless.

ci, you repeat the same old mantra, same stuff. I don't know why I even respond anymore. Congress approved of the war, okay, get over it. And we are winning it, be happy, okay, and now your guy, Obama is going to spend more money and have more troops killed in Afghanistan, that is if he keeps his word, and I am sure some military guys will commit suicide, just as they always have, and just as civilians do too. Are they Bush's fault too? Your posts are so tiresome, ci, please come up with something substantial instead of a one liner blaming everything on Bush. You can't do that much longer.

Okie-- Cicerone Imposter never gives evidence. He defecates his mental flatulence on the page and thinks that people will accept his absurdities.

Let's give some evidence to puncture his baloons.

Okie-- Cicerone Imposter never gives evidence. He defecates his mental flatulence on the page and thinks that people will accept his absurdities.

Let's give some evidence to puncture his balloons.

Note: This is not from a right wing source but a STRONG LEFT WING SOURCE


Domenico Montanaro, NBC Political Researcher


Suicides in U.S. military on rise Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009
Suicides among soldiers in the U.S. Army rose to an alarming number in 2008, NBC News learned today.

While the Army continues to investigate at least 17 deaths as possible suicide, they have already confirmed that at least 125 soldiers took their lives last year.

That is up from 115 in 2007; 102 in 2006; and 87 in 2005.



Video: The Army says it's working hard to change the military stigma attached to suicide so soldiers can get more help.

A senior defense official tells NBC that the Army will release the final numbers at a roundtable tomorrow, and that they will include all possible suicides in their figure. That means they will report upwards of 145 total suicides last year.

This is the highest number since the Army started keeping records -- and also the highest jump from one year to the next. It is also the fourth consecutive year when suicides rose in the ranks.

Suicides were up in all the services in 2008, but the Army's figures were the most dramatic.

And this news comes just weeks after the U.S. Army announced a $50 million program to investigate why soldier suicides continue to rise.

A senior defense official tells NBC News that the U.S. Marine Corps is also very concerned about the increase in suicides in the Corps in 2008.

While the actual jump in hard numbers is not dramatic -- 41 possible suicides in 2008, up from 33 in 2007 -- for the first time ever, the Marine Corps suicide numbers are almost as high as the general civilian population of American males aged 18-25.

In 2008, 19 of every 100,000 Marines committed suicide. That is up from 16.5 per 100,000 in 2007. The Marine Corps compares their numbers to the most recent CDC figures for American men, aged 18-25, which finds that an average of 19.8 of every 100,000 men commit suicide in a given year. Most Marines who commit suicide are enlisted white males, age 18-25.

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For the first time ever, the Marine Corps suicide numbers are approaching the AVERAGE OF AMERICAN MEN.

Cicerone Imposter, as I said, can't read.

Okie- Cicerone Imposter is practically illiterate. If he was not, he would know that his tired old crap about President Bush's allegedly illegal wire taps have been adjudicated. The wire taps are not illegal according to the court but the non-reader Cicerione mposter does not know that.

Note:




FISA Court: Warrantless Wiretaps Are Legal

Friday, January 16, 2009 7:33 AM





WASHINGTON -- A U.S. foreign intelligence court affirmed on Thursday the government's right to use wiretaps on international phone calls and intercept e-mails without a court warrant under a 2007 law.


The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review - the appeals court for the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court - said in an unclassified version of an August 2008 ruling that a now-expired law authorizing the interceptions was constitutional.


The ruling, which affirmed the secret court's initial finding, was a victory for President George W. Bush's administration which had faced criticism for saying it had the right to conduct warrantless wiretaps in certain circumstances for national security reasons.


"The Department of Justice is pleased with this important ruling," said Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd.


The case involved a challenge by an unnamed communications company that protested the Protect America Act of 2007 which authorized the executive branch to tap international communication of people who were believed to be outside of the United States without first getting a court warrant.


The Court of Review said the Protect America Act was reasonable under the Fourth Amendment.


The release of the opinion marked only the second time the court had published any of its rulings since it was established more than 30 years ago, Boyd said.


Dozens of lawsuits have been filed in the past few years accusing AT&T Inc, Verizon Communications Inc and Sprint Nextel Corp of violating Americans' privacy rights in the surveillance program.


The Protect America Act expired last February. In July, Congress passed a new law allowing the surveillance and also granting liability protection to telecommunication companies that took part in the warrantless domestic spying program after the September 11 attacks in 2001.


The measure shielded those firms from potentially billions of dollars in damages from privacy lawsuits and implements the biggest overhaul of U.S. spy laws in three decades.

Cicerone Imposter does not know that Obama will continue to spend money in Iraq and will, when he semnds 30.000 more troops to Afghanistan, spend as much in that country as was spent in Iraq.

Note below:


This $864 billion total covers all war-related appropriations from FY2001
through part of FY2009 in supplementals, regular appropriations, and continuing
resolutions. Of that total, CRS estimates that Iraq will receive about $657 billion
(76%), OEF about $173 billion (20%), and enhanced base security about $28 billion
(3%), with about $5 billion that CRS cannot allocate (1%). About 94% of the funds
are for DOD, 6% for foreign aid programs and embassy operations, and less than 1%
for medical care for veterans. As of July 2008, DOD’s monthly obligations for
contracts and pay averaged about $12.3 billion, including $9.9 billion for Iraq, and
$2.4 billion for Afghanistan.

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Okie, I am sure that Cicerone Imposter does not realize that a goodly portion of the expenditures in Iraq go to

a. salaries and benefits for soldiers there( or does he think they should go without pay?)

b. To US factories which produce war materials. The last time I looked the workers in those factories had pretty good weekly pay.

Okie- You are a pretty smart guy. Can you help me? I have read the post several times and I cannot figure out what Cicerone Imposter has said when talking about suicide rates--"And now outnumber the actual rates of the war"?????