AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Uh, yeah. The things that they were scared of were the things they thought were scary because those things were the exact things that they were scared of.

LOL.

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What are you smoking, or what is your problem?

I know Christians must be scary to you, but you seem a little incoherent?

I was just mimicking your nonsense you posted before me. I'm smokin' jesus and I'm high on Christ. I'm not afraid of no big bad Christians.

If you don't have to be coherent, neither do I.

This is more fun anyways.
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Thats what his man with the prayer did, with his yellow man mellowing, blah blah blah, and finally he prayed the white man would do something right, or some such language. Obama thought it was humorous. I didn't find it all that hilarious, ci. By the way, who is the yellow man?

I don't think you know a great deal about Affirmative Action, Diest TKO. I have studied the subject thoroughly over the years and I can answer almost any question put to me. I usually end up answering in such a way as to show that Affirmative Action is fraudulent.

We must, cries the left wing liberal,do more for our schools so that the "playing field will be level.

When city school systems are reviewed,the absolute worst system in terms of student achievement is the DC school system. It is almost completely Black.
However, the allocation per student is one of the highest in the nation's cities.
Eleven thousand a year. Take 25 children and multiply by 11,000. That means a class has $275,000 ALLOCATED TO IT FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES.

And yet,the field is not leveled!!!!

Law firms do not have blacks as 12% of their attornies. The number of blacks in large prestigious firms are almost miniscule.
Why? Large prestigious firms do not take beginning lawyers who are at or near the bottom of their law school graduating classes.
Are the law firms racist? Not if you judge them by the number of Asians andEast Indians they hire.

Diest TKO--Affirmative Action is a pipe dream and I can prove it!!!

mysteryman wrote:



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So then you admit that the NAACP is also a racist organization.
As is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

After all, they accused a white district attorney of rape, because a black girl accused him of it.
Does the name Tawana Brawley ring a bell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley

Or, are you going to try and deny that race played a HUGE factor in that circus, with white men being accused simply because they were white?

Perfect, Mysteryman. I also note that Diest TKO appears to be frightened of rebutting my post on Affirmative Action. I know more about that abomination than he will ever learn.

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My guess is that you can give cogent arguments against affirmative action; even proponents of affirmative action can do that.

But your delusions that you can "prove it"...are, by any reasonable interpretation of that expression, a pipe dream.

This is one of those questions that really cannot be answered...and if one to err, I personally think it makes more sense to err on the side of at least trying to make the playing field level.

1) Your objective is to prove that hatred is not present in all racism. I'm not sure how this case brings you closer.
2) It seems that the girl fabricated the story out of fear of her mother's live in boyfriend. Her lie chose to make her assailants white. If this was anything but arbitrary, it most certainly is racism, and because of some benign or otherwise measurable hatred. Beyond that, the circus that developed around the case was more about advancing agendas. It makes them look dumb when the axe falls and she has to admit that she lied, but this doesn't make them racist. If they are racist, it is present in their axe to grind statements. It seems from your example you set out to prove that black people can be racist too. If that was your goal, you should have said as much, I would not have disagreed. But if Jesse Jackson is a racist because has a vendetta against the white community, make no mistake, it is hatred.
3) Why were those white men chosen over other white men? A profile of a crime is going to exist no matter what. That profile will often include someone's race as it is more easy to describe than something like facial features etc. What would concern me is if the cops simply started arresting every white guy they saw out on the street after dark to bring in for questioning.

I specifically answered that choosing someone because of race instead fo real deductive reasoning. Given the false premises of this fraudulent case, using deductive reasoning would still give a bad result. Do you understand MM?

Certainly racism takes place in places of the story you provide, but where is the lack of hatred? Fear?

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Looks like they believed someone that lied rather than choosing him because he was white.

Diest TKO- You are ignorant. A New Yorkgrand jury concluded that Brawley fabricated the offense. However, some leading African American activists and scholars declared that if Brawley's acccusation was LITERALLY FALSE, IT REMAINED FIGURATIVELY OR METAPHORICALLY TRUE.

Legal Scholar, Patricia Williams, who is black. wrote--"Tawana Brawley has been the victim of some unspeakable crime. NO MATTER WHO DID IT TO HER--AND EVEN IF SHE DID IT TO HERSELF. Her condition was clearly the expression of some tremendous violence, some great violation."

Can you believe it? I only did it because my great grandfather was a slave and because I have to live in this ghetto with my mother and her live in boyfriend.

VICTIMOLOGY AT ITS HEIGHT!

Deist TKO is not, by any stretch of the imagination, "ignorant", genoves.

If you disagree with him...fine. But to call him ignorant is absurd!

Blacks aren't racist?

Khalid Abdul Mohammed of the Nation of Islam told a Kean College audience in 1953 what he found objectionable about whites and Jews.

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"If the white man won't get out of town by sundown, we kill everything white in South Africa. We kill the women, we kill the children, we kill the babies. We kill the faggot, we kill the lesbian, we kill them all...The so called Jewis a European strain of people who crawled around on all fours in the hills and cavesof Europe eating juniper roots and eating each other"

Nice, eh? But, says Diest--not racist---oh no!!!

Sister Souljah said--" If black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people"

Certainly not racist!!

Anderson Thompson, an African American professor at Northeastern Illinois University condemns "the miserable Asiatic...selling wigs, handbags,basketball shoes. He has levied a full scale economic penetration of the entire African world. Like a parasite, he attacks the African consumer boring from within.
Thompson has recommended a black" ministry of defense" to stop and get rid of such parasites.

Of course, that is not racist either!

Please look up the meaning of the word--ignorant- The Random House Dic tionary of the English Language says:

IGNORANT--Lacking knowledge about a particular subject or fact.

As I read the generalizations and illogic in Diest TKO's posts, I think that he is ignorant because he clearly does not know the facts. He may know them and not admit it to move his agenda, but then he would not be ignorant but merely deceitful!

Incidentally, Mr. Apisa. You took me to task for indicating that I could show that Affirmative Action was a failed idea. You use the term-"levelling the playing field". Would you be so good as to define exactly what that means?

If you define it as ost liberals do, I can prove that a level playing field is IMPOSSIBLE to achieve!

Leveling the playing field doesn't require that the field be perfectly level only that it not be tilted like it was.

You don't seem to do anything but create strawmen genoves. TKO never said blacks can't be racist. Frank never said the field had to be perfectly level.

Well, parados,,please teach me. How tilted was the field?
How titled is it now?

What is the goal? How much tilt will you allow?

I do agree that the field is tilted. I am amazed that in our egalitarian society, professional basketball teams are 80 opr 90% black. If the field was not tilted and egalitarian with regard to population, the basketball teams would be no more than one eighth black--12% according to the distribution of population.

When I asked a professional athlete this question, he said, well, you see the skills that are needed for professional basketball are mainly found among blacks.

BUT, the African-American community is always caterwauling about the lack of African Americans in the large law firms and in top hospitals.

There, I guess, Skills are not needed.

So are Law Firms racist? They hire black lawyers but they find, as many businesses do that the blacks who attended Universities through Affirmative Action( an attempt to level the playing field) just do not have the skills and intelligence needed to survive in a large law firm.

But, are Law Firms racist? Of course not. A glance at any top law firm will reveal many Asians and East Indians. I guess those minorities are different from African-Americans.

Why?

That would be a long long story!

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When the word “ignorant” is used in a sentence the way you used it (“Diest TKO- You are ignorant”)…it has a meaning we all know. Stop trying to rationalize your bullshit, genoves, you’re apparently not nearly smart enough to pull it off.



Actually, I “took you to task” for saying, “Affirmative Action is a pipe dream and I can prove it!!!”

If you can “prove" that…go ahead and prove it. My definition of what a “level playing field” is has no part in it.

And as Parados pointed out, I did not say we should level the playing field. I said, “I personally think it makes more sense to err on the side of at least trying to make the playing field level.” If you think I should have said, “I personally think it makes more sense to err on the side of at least trying to make the playing field more level”…I will accept that correction, although I think any intelligent reading of what I wrote leads you to that.

Two last thoughts:

One: I am not a liberal. You didn't exactly call me that, but it appeared from your remarks that you might be supposing that to be the case. Just want you to know.

Two: You should get in the habit of cutting and pasting remarks you are going to challenge…so as not to appear to be constructing straw men.

Now…let’s hear your “proof” that Affirmative Action is a pipe dream!

Frank, if you aren't a liberal, then a conservative? Hence a good possibility of being a racist?

Remember the bumper stickers that use to read: I'd rather be dead than Red!

My reaction always was...are those the only two choices???

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One: There are other choices. Many others. If you want to get a better picture of my political philosophy...click my name and read my bio.

Two: I would hope your mind is open enough not to suspect that if I were a conservative...that would impact on the possibility of whether or not I am also a racist.

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When the word “ignorant” is used in a sentence the way you used it (“Diest TKO- You are ignorant”)…it has a meaning we all know. Stop trying to rationalize your bullshit, genoves, you’re apparently not nearly smart enough to pull it off.

Are you clairvoyant, Mr. Apisa? I think you give meanings to words which fit your agenda. I stand by my definition!

Now, to Affirmative Action. If you are really interested and patient, I think I can show you how corrupt and self-defeating Affirmative Action really is.

Please feel free to rebut any of my points, if you are able to do so.

quote from the African-American scholar . Shelby Steele, in his essay --"A negative vote on Affirmative Action.

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"The fact is that after thirty years of racial preferences, the gap between median incomes of black and white families is greater than it was in the 1970's"
"I think one of the most troubling effects of racial preferences for blakcs is a kind of demoralization, under Affirmative Action, the quality that earns us preferential treatment is an implied inferiority>"

That's the first lesson for today, Mr. Apisa!