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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:23 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclowrongo
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:27 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I have to support cyclo on this: okie constantly and consistently equates the American left with Hitler's Nazi Party.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:43 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Well, he can speak for himself.

If he's equating German Nazis with American Progressives, then I think it's nonsensical.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:45 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well, he can speak for himself.

If he's equating German Nazis with American Progressives, then I think it's nonsensical.


As do I. I don't think he claims equivalence, but he has stated many times that modern lefties are using the same ideas and rhetoric and that governance by the left will end in the same fashion.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:48 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well, he can speak for himself.

If he's equating German Nazis with American Progressives, ...


I don't know of any American Progressives, but there are plenty of Nazi loving liberal progressive democrats out there.
Maybe he is referring to liberal progressive democrats.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 02:28 pm
AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/tom_delay_sentenced_to_prison.php?ref=fpblg

Quote:
Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) has been sentenced to three years in prison, the AP and the Austin-American Statesman are reporting.

Texas Judge Pat Priest handed down the sentence this afternoon in an Austin courtroom.

DeLay was convicted in November on money laundering charges. His lawyers asked for the minimum sentence, probation. Prosecutors asked for at least 10 years in prison.


Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 03:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Well, he can speak for himself.

If he's equating German Nazis with American Progressives, then I think it's nonsensical.
Finn, I have compared economic and political policies of the Nazis or Fascists with American progressives, but I have always pointed out that I was not comparing Nazi or Hitler cruelty to them. There is of course a difference, but of course the demagogues here in this forum refuse to see the difference or accurately read what I have written. I have compared economic and political policies because it is necessary to determine whether Nazism was a leftist leaning philosphy or a right leaning philosophy. I stand by what I have said in that regard.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760539-7,00.html

I have copied some of the Time Magazine article as follows to provide solid evidence of what I have said in the above, which includes the recounting of Hitler's public works programs and his government's interference in private businesses, even controlling their profits and confiscating them outright if they felt like it.

"What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to Germany in less than six years was applauded wildly and ecstatically by most Germans. He lifted the nation from post-War defeatism. Under the swastika Germany was unified. His was no ordinary dictatorship, but rather one of great energy and magnificent planning. The "socialist" part of National Socialism might be scoffed at by hard-&-fast Marxists, but the Nazi movement nevertheless had a mass basis. The 1,500 miles of magnificent highways built, schemes for cheap cars and simple workers' benefits, grandiose plans for rebuilding German cities made Germans burst with pride. Germans might eat many substitute foods or wear ersatz clothes but they did eat. What Adolf Hitler & Co. did to the German people in that time left civilized men and women aghast. Civil rights and liberties have disappeared. Opposition to the Nazi regime has become tantamount to suicide or worse. Free speech and free assembly are anachronisms. The reputations of the once-vaunted German centres of learning have vanished. Education has been reduced to a National Socialist catechism.
.....

Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on others what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for foodstuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism. "


I do not believe it is a stretch at all to compare some things, like the American Reinvestment Act for public works, Cash for Clunkers, Obamacare, some of the energy proposals, and just the general overall increase of government intervention into private business, especially health care, medical insurance, banking, etc., to the above. Again, I make no comparison of American progressives to the cruelty of Nazism or Hitler.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 04:01 pm
@plainoldme,
You are painting with a rather large brush, aren't you.
I am really curious how you can honestly that ALL conservative women are anything.
You can't possibly know what all conservative women think or do, and if memory serves you have protested whenever anyone says " all liberals" believe anything.
So now why are you doing the same thing you have condemned in the past?
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 04:06 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
You can't possibly know what all conservative women think


conservative women think what they're husbands tell them too, if i remember correctly

Razz
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 08:06 pm
@mysteryman,
Just as you can't know anything about liberal women.

Look, I used to refer to conservative women as cheerleaders -- a short hand that was easy to understand: stupid, thoughtless and easy led. The men on the right tried to crucify me for it but they were men on the right.

Frankly, I only know right wing women who can't cook and who have plastic parts and who think heating their houses to 70 is dialing down (you should hear their husbands complain about them). Perhaps, your problem is you know too few people? Or that your idea of a good meal is Campbell's Pork and Beans. Who knows. But I am not interested in what you have to say or your admonishments of me.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 08:49 pm
@plainoldme,
Please show where I have ever lumped all liberal women into any group. I have never done that nor have I ever claimed to understand women
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 12:25 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Perhaps, your problem is you know too few people?


Perhaps that's your problem too.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 03:46 pm
@mysteryman,
I never said that you did. Please read what I wrote and try to figure it out.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 03:47 pm
Antigay Activist Blames Bird Death on DADT Repeal
By Advocate.com Editors


Antigay activist Cindy Jacobs of Generals International said over the weekend that the recent rash of bird deaths occurred because the law barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military was repealed.

She said that when a nation makes a change against God's principles, "nature itself will begin to talk to us — for instance, violent storms, flooding ... the blackbirds fell to the ground in Beebe, Ark. Well the governor of Arkansas’s name is Beebe. And also, there was something put out of Arkansas called 'don’t ask, don’t tell' by a former governor, this was proposed, Bill Clinton. As so, could there be a connection between this passage [Hosea 4] and now that we’ve had the repeal of the don’t ask, don’t tell, where people now legally in the United States have broken restraints with the Scripture because the Scripture says in Romans 1 that homosexuality is not allowed."

The deaths of large groups of birds and fish have caused alarm around the world. Groups of hundreds or thousands of dead birds have been found in Arkansas, Louisiana, Maryland, and recently, California.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 03:48 pm
We all know that Jesus was a socialist.

What if he was gay as well?

I mean weren't nice Jewish boys married at age 30 at a time when the life expectancy was shorter than it is today?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 04:10 pm
@plainoldme,
That certainly makes sense. You will recall that the earthquake in Haiti a year ago was also due to God getting pissed off about something.
BillW
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 04:20 pm
@plainoldme,
No, no, no - Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene......... She was pregnant with his child at his death. Of corse, he could have been gay too.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 06:07 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Just as you can't know anything about liberal women.

Look, I used to refer to conservative women as cheerleaders -- a short hand that was easy to understand: stupid, thoughtless and easy led. The men on the right tried to crucify me for it but they were men on the right.

Frankly, I only know right wing women who can't cook and who have plastic parts and who think heating their houses to 70 is dialing down (you should hear their husbands complain about them). Perhaps, your problem is you know too few people? Or that your idea of a good meal is Campbell's Pork and Beans. Who knows. But I am not interested in what you have to say or your admonishments of me.



Ain't you the poor victim!

They crucified you? Those bastards! I can't imagine why they would object to your objective characterization of conservative women.

Oh wait, they're conservatives---they are each and everyone of them a bastard!

POM if you are not an embarrassment to A2K liberals then I've lost all respect for the smart ones.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 09:04 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
POM if you are not an embarrassment to A2K liberals then I've lost all respect for the smart ones.
!!!!!!!!!
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jan, 2011 09:39 pm
I don't quite know how the thumbs up/thumbs down function works. I note though that, in reviewing the last few posts here:
Mysteryman is at a score of -0- along with Georgeob, BillW and JohnBoy. Plainoldme is at -1.
Someone's thumb is certainly busy and aimed at an interestingly diverse cast of characters.
I wonder what we have in common that is pissing someone off.
 

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