AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

okie, That was a joke. You have no humour in your life; you wouldn't know snide when you read it - you okie.

Your state is becoming a national joke, too, ci. Are you laughing out there? I have relatives out there and they tell us about it. Just living there should make you laugh all day long every day, at your own state.

Yes sir, if anyone wishes to know if liberalism works, just take a look at California. Pretty funny, isn't it, ci?

You might want to read this, ci? Have you any plans to leave yet?

http://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-to-leave-california-2010-10#

"California Is Broke: 19 Reasons It May Be Time For Everyone To Leave The State For Good"

okie, Those of us living in California know about the state's financial condition better than you do! You're a little late with very old news; the California budgets are always late, and they continue to grow the deficit, because they don't know how to cut costs. I don't see that happening any time soon, even after Jerry Brown takes over next month. Our legislature is broken with too many dummies running budget numbers that are always fraudulent/unrealistic on the revenue side, but continue the same game year after year.

I believe the current year budget is already showing a $28 billion deficit, and there's no way for Jerry Brown to cut enough costs to cover it.

okie is too clunkerheaded to see the irony that is dripping from your post c.i., but I'll just sit over here in the corner watching while he totally blows a reply with a Mutley snicker on me face

Bill, you're so dumb. You don't have a memory or common sense on anything you post. Evidence for anything you claim? I'm still waiting to see any.

By the way, have a sense of humor, Bill, do not take offense at the above. I am sure ci could tell you the same, because most of his posts are laced with similar humor.

You just fell flat on your face; you just don't "catch on."

Wouldn't they be mostly the same party affiliation that you commonly support, ci? A quick search reveals that Democrats outnumber Republicans by 24 to 14 in your legislature out there, so how come are they so dumb as you say? And don't try to blame it on Schwarzenegger, as I think he caved to predominantly Democratic legislatures most of the time. Before him, it was lib, Gray Davis, wasn't it?

okie wrote:

How in the world did you arrive at this conclusion? Your feeble brain fails to comprehend all the criticisms I have made against most governments operating in the US - and it doesn't matter whether it's headed by democrats or republicans.

The problem you have, okie, is you don't remember anything.

I'm not about to repeat what I've been expressing all these years, because you'll never "get it."

Your run-away imagination is your worst character defect.

Did you vote mostly for Democrats or for Republicans this last election, ci? Since you are crying foul in regard to my supposition, I would like to know how you voted. How about national, then state, how did you vote?

I don't keep count; I vote for the candidate I believe best reflects my interests. I don't vote based on party affiliation. Burn that into your brain, but I know you can't.

You see, if you had understood my postings all these years on a2k, you would know that about me.

What is much more recent is who my potential candidates are for our next president are; they both happen to be republicans.

If you don't think that the person represented as Joe-the-plumber does not want a bigger piece of the pie, then you should not be allowed out after sunset.

That might be the biggest lie ever told.

You like the deck stacked. You see yourself not as your own typing reveals yourself to us but as some sort of demi-god.

BTW, what sort of sense was your incoherent rant on students earning As intended to make?

Finally, anyone who thinks there is a free market should be assigned an orderly to feed and diaper him.

That's the problem: he grew up on a lonely farm. He had no one to play with which is why he lacks social perspective. It also may explain how he came to be valedictorian of his high school class. When he wrote that, I thought, well, number one out of a class of three is meaningless.


The rest went to California. His father probably started working land abandoned by people who never returned.



Here, okie types something he certainly did not intend: he bought his wife and family. Wow! This is one time when I feel sorry for okie.



I have a hard time understanding the personification of ci as a whiner. In fact, ci exhibits a great deal more independence than okie does.

The virulence of okie's hatred of liberals is difficult to comprehend. After all, okie was only educated because of what may be considered liberal policies (had his father remained in Denmark, okie's life might have been even better than it is). I have half-seriously said that okie was probably rejected by a liberal or centrist girl and so hates everyone who is center to left, but, for him to use this statement here to ci is lamentable.

You've just described a Calvinist and okie is Calvinist writ large.

I have told you before, okie, that your statement that you stop paying into SS before the year runs its course tells us what you earn.

If you oppose equal outcomes then you MUST be for unequal outcomes. You argued earlier that libs that are for equal opportunity are for equal outcomes so you can't be for equal opportunity without being accused of the same thing as you accused libs of.

What a crock of sophistry. (And calling your argument sophistry is being charitable)

Being for equal opportunity makes no judgment on outcomes.

Natural outcomes are by definition unequal.

One can be oppose to engineered outcomes that lay claim to equality without expressing favor for unfortunate outcomes for those who endeavor.

Today's Boston Globe has a story about a young male (21) who killed his three month old son. The child was diagnosed as having died from shaken baby syndrome.


The father had made a practice of putting the baby face down in the crib and pressing on his back to stop him from crying. The dead child had broken ribs.

This person has fathered four children with two different females. He broke the skull of his three-year-old daughter and once caused her stop breathing when he shoved a bottle too far down her throat.

He served 18 months in prison for cracking her skull.

The state said there is nothing they can do about child abusers "caring" for children after the abusers are released.

I would like to see people like this one sterilized.

Now, let all the Republicans scream that liberals are in favor of eugenics. Let all the libertarians scream that it is his body and he can do what he wants with it.

The mother of the three year old says the girl has fully recovered. This child will be in special education for the rest of her life. The Republicans and the libertarians will not want to pay for the special education she will need both because of heredity and environment.

Of course, there might not be anyway of preventing this male from "caring" for other children.

However, it the American right stops yelling about zero population growth and controlling one's fertility, there will be fewer "tragic" events like this one.

Given that, in terms of natural fertility this country is already very close to zero population growth, that nearly all of our population growth results from immigration; and that no one of whom I am aware on "the right" is "yelling" or otherwise making an issue of zero population growth - it is hard to divine just what pliaioldme is wringing her hands about.

Does she imagine that more readily available abortions will reduce the rate of infanticide among 21 year old young men who have fathered four children by two mothers? Even more readily available forms of easily used fertility control haven't done the job. Perhaps she prefers thart such killings take place on a larger scale, but in more sanitary conditions - and out of public sight.