AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@okie,

okie wrote:

I do not like Pelosi or Hillary much, nor do I care for their politics at all, but to my knowledge I have never called either of them a witch or some other very derogatory term. In contrast, I seem to recall a Tea Party or conservative candidate called the "bit...." term recently by somebody in the news, and I don't think that has been unusual at all. Liberals love women unless they are conservative women, and then it turns to vicious hatred. Why is that?

It's fair to say that she was referred to as a 'witch' not due to her personality or some judgment issue, but because she was reported - and admitted - to dabbling in witchcraft when she was younger, which didn't sit well with a lot of Christian Conservatives in the State. It's more of a joke than a judgment.

I think the O'Donnell is nice enough but not especially intelligent; her debates surely showed that to be true. The Tea Party screwed you guys out of the Senate majority this cycle, with candidates like her and Angle in NV.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

first off, i'm not a leftie, i hold no party affiliation, second i don't hate women, i love women, i hate politicians, and those two were the most visible wackos in the recent elections, i'm sure i'll find some male politicians to make fun of soon, as the newly elected, from all parties start making more national news

it's only politics, it's fun, not a big deal, relax

as for michelle, she's married to barry, how much more can i humiliate her

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@djjd62,

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as for michelle, she's married to barry, how much more can i humiliate her

haha, he's good looking and can dance, and apparently has done well for himself in business, not too embarrassing over all.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

I do not like Pelosi or Hillary much, nor do I care for their politics at all, but to my knowledge I have never called either of them a witch or some other very derogatory term. In contrast, I seem to recall a Tea Party or conservative candidate called the "bit...." term recently by somebody in the news, and I don't think that has been unusual at all. Liberals love women unless they are conservative women, and then it turns to vicious hatred. Why is that?

It's fair to say that she was referred to as a 'witch' not due to her personality or some judgment issue, but because she was reported - and admitted - to dabbling in witchcraft when she was younger, which didn't sit well with a lot of Christian Conservatives in the State. It's more of a joke than a judgment.
ding, ding, ding, we have a winner

I think the O'Donnell is nice enough but not especially intelligent; her debates surely showed that to be true. The Tea Party screwed you guys out of the Senate majority this cycle, with candidates like her and Angle in NV.
and we who enjoy mocking politicians endless hours of fun
Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

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basically said that a term like that was not appropriate for any president, no matter their party.

But, it is OK to refer to a President as traitor and dictator-wannabe and Marxist and many other names?

Your self righteous indignation of the name calling by others rings exceedingly hollow okie.

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@okie,

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I do not like Pelosi or Hillary much, nor do I care for their politics at all, but to my knowledge I have never called either of them a witch or some other very derogatory term.

I suppose it depends on what you consider derogatory okie.

Is this like your claim you never used the word "destroy" in talking about what Obama is doing to the country?

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Obama democrats had their asses handed to them last night... all they can do is whine.

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@parados,

okie doesn't even remember his own words; he contradicts himself so often, it makes us wonder how he managed to get his high school diploma. LOL

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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basically said that a term like that was not appropriate for any president, no matter their party.

But, it is OK to refer to a President as traitor and dictator-wannabe and Marxist and many other names?

Your self righteous indignation of the name calling by others rings exceedingly hollow okie.

I do not disown what I have said along those lines, parados. Traitor is probably too strong of a term however, I would not use that term again. I actually do think, not for sure, but I am suspicious of the personality of Obama in terms of being a dictator wannabe, I actually think he fits the profile of one. Evidence for that, it is my opinion and others opinion, based upon our study of his past, his befriending and admiration for Marxists, appointing them, etc. I find myself having to repeat the obvious truth, but the man has claimed and apparently it happened, he was converted to a so-called Christian faith by a church that is founded upon a political philosophy that I think is masquerading as a religion, something called Black Liberation Theology. Study it, and you will have to admit it is at its root a Marxist leaning belief, which advocates the taking back from the the more wealthy and giving to the poor.

The traitor term I think may be appropriate for anyone that is clearly Marxist as well, so although I would not use that term again, I do not think it is hugely unreasonable, if he should try to institute more of his ultra socialist policies, such as perhaps nationalize or take over the energy industry for example. I do not think that would be beyond the realm of possibility, as we know he is in process with the health care industry. We are aware of certain congressmen that advocate nationalizing the energy industry.

Look, it would seem that someday the above facts would get through you guys heads? And you are now claiming that accusing someone of having Marxist sympathies is "calling names." Look parados, Marxism is a very real political philosophy that has real attributes, it is not some term like equating a woman to a dog. There is a real difference. If Obama does not have Marxist sympathies, you will have to argue your belief based upon facts, the same that I have done for my belief that he does. If you think Marxist is merely a derogatory term, try calling Bush a Marxist. Of course it would ring hollow because everyone knows you would be crazy. Not so in the case of Obama. I am not using terms like that to be disrespectful, I am using terms like that for real reasons, reasons that are wholly justified and with evidence.

Surely you don't think Obama is a 100% conservative or libertarian or something, or champion of free market economics? Nothing could be further from the truth. Intellectual honesty here on this forum would be nice, and I think you could do yourself well by using valid comparisons for name calling, parados.

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@okie,

While we're on the 'intellectual honesty' train, surely you'll admit that the reason people refer to O'Donnell as a 'witch' is because of actual events that happened in the campaign - and not baseless insults?

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

Accusing someone without facts is derogatory okie. You do it constantly. And then you play this self righteous BS about how you are just being honest.

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I am not using terms like that to be disrespectful, I am using terms like that for real reasons, reasons that are wholly justified and with evidence.

Of course it is disrespectful okie. You just don't want to see it as such. Which points to how dishonest you really are.

We all understand you are doing it for political reasons. But for you to claim it is justified and with evidence shows how blind you are to your own actions. You have never provided any evidence okie. You fall back to claiming you merely "suspect" that Obama is a Marxist.

Read this statement by yourself okie..

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Evidence for that, it is my opinion and others opinion,

Now reread that statement 10 more times and then tell us how your opinion and what you "think" can constitute evidence.

The problem you continually have okie is that you think your opinion constitutes evidence. You may believe the voices in your head but it isn't evidence in the real world. (Yes, that is a derogatory statement on my part okie. But in order for it to be so then it makes your statements about Obama also derogatory.)

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@Cycloptichorn,

Points taken, cyclops. I apparently mis-interpreted what the poster meant with this statement:

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i'm very disappointed that kurt angle and witch girl didn't make it. easily the two best folks to mock and you guys couldn't pull it off, very sad

I associated the Angle name with Sharron Angle in Nevada, and wrongly assumed that maybe her husband's name was kurt or something. I have realized my mistake, that he was referring to Christine O'Donnell and her talk of witches in childhood and her association now with wrestling. My apologies. However, I still think that terms being thrown around are over the top. In regard to the witch girl term, do you think we should now research the childhood games and costumery used, perhaps at Halloween by our current politicians and then use terms for them now? I still don't think "witch girl" is an appropriate term at all, to be used by intellectually honest people.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Points taken, cyclops. I apparently mis-interpreted what the poster meant with this statement:

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i'm very disappointed that kurt angle and witch girl didn't make it. easily the two best folks to mock and you guys couldn't pull it off, very sad

I associated the Angle name with Sharron Angle in Nevada, and wrongly assumed that maybe her husband's name was kurt or something. I have realized my mistake, that he was referring to Christine O'Donnell and her talk of witches in childhood and her association now with wrestling. My apologies. However, I still think that terms being thrown around are over the top. In regard to the witch girl term, do you think we should now research the costumery used at Halloween by our current politicians and then use terms for them now? I still don't think "witch girl" is an appropriate term at all, to be used by intellectually honest people.

Thanks. I would point out that she had to cut a commercial in which she stated, 'I am not a witch!' When things have reached that point, your campaign has a serious image problem, and nicknames will result.

And it wasn't the Left who freaked out over her past, it was Conservative Christians in her own state. Last night's election proved that she wasn't supported by her own supposed base. Hard to blame that on the Dems.

Cycloptichorn

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@parados,

I keep repeating the obvious, that Obama was converted to Christianity in a church that was founded upon Black Liberation Theology. They openly and proudly admit and claimed it, parados. It has been known that Black Liberation Theology has Marxist roots and leanings. It is wholly reasonable to assume, I would think, perhaps you disagree, that if you say you believe something, then you probably believe it. And we all know that the admired mentor and pastor of the church that converted him has been on record as ranting about rich white people and Jews, as well as espousing the virtues of Marxist dictators. Now, are you going to dispute that? If so, provide real evidence. I think you would do well to admit the obvious truth of what I have pointed out. It is evidence, okay. Or you can choose to admit the evidence and argue that it means nothing, that perhaps someone saying they believe something does not mean they believe it, is that your argument, that the church thing means absolutely nothing?

We also know that Obama launched his political career in the home of a domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and his wife, both of which were and perhaps are Marxists, and they were involved in the Weather Underground, an organization that was bent upon overthrowing the United States government. Are you prepared to deny that, or are you arguing that it means nothing? If you argue that his associations mean nothing, that would be your opinion, just as my opinion is that they mean a great deal, but kindly quit claiming I have not cited evidence.

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@okie,

Another interesting point, a big issue was made out of O'Donnell playing with witchcraft in childhood, but Obama dabbling with Marxist beliefs and associating and appointing them in adulthood, during his political career, we are to believe it means nothing according to his supporters. Do some of you now see why conservatives recognize the blatant hypocrisy displayed in much of the mainstream press?

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@okie,

i will rarely call a politician by their given name if i can find some way to spin it, ms. angle becomes wrestlings kurt angle in order to portray the carny spin politicians use to fool the rubes

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@okie,

okie, What's wrong with Black Liberation Theology?

From Wiki:

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Black liberation theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage — social, political, economic and religious. This formulation views Christian theology as a theology of liberation -- "a rational study of the being of God in the world in light of the existential situation of an oppressed community, relating the forces of liberation to the essence of the Gospel, which is Jesus Christ," writes James Hal Cone.

What's wrong with this theology, okie?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Another interesting point, a big issue was made out of O'Donnell playing with witchcraft in childhood, but Obama dabbling with Marxist beliefs and associating and appointing them in adulthood, during his political career, we are to believe it means nothing according to his supporters. Do some of you now see why conservatives recognize the blatant hypocrisy displayed in much of the mainstream press?

Are you serious?

The proof that it 'meant nothing' to the supporters was the fact that they didn't give a **** and elected him anyway. And that includes a lot of traditional Republican voters. The press played the whole issue up big time, I mean, surely you remember? They talked about nothing but Wright and Ayers for months.

O'Donnell on the other hand was abandoned by her party and her base. That's not the media's fault.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I still don't think "witch girl" is an appropriate term at all, to be used by intellectually honest people.

oh please, intellectually honest people would know it's all a work, carnies and rubes

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

O'Donnell on the other hand was abandoned by her party and her base. That's not the media's fault.

Cycloptichorn

Something I have noticed, if a Republican or conservative has something bad in their record, their own party will throw them overboard. Not so with Democrats, they will circle the wagons. One of the reasons I think this happens, is because liberals think their morality hinges upon something called "public morality," rather than personal morality. Another term for public morality might be social justice, which is a buzzword for socialism, even Marxism, which involves taxing the bejeebers out of the rich and giving it to the poor, or their voters. Its a game of redistribution, socialism, central planning, and Statism, versus freedom, liberty, and individual responsibility.

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