@okie,
Quote:Actually, he might be a decent guy, but I don't find him well informed at all, and I would not put him in the league of Beck at all.
Beck is not well informed at all. I'm actually surprised to see you say such a thing.
Quote:To be fair, you probably find conservative talkers irritating as well?
A lot of them, yeah, and Republican politicians too. And I'll tell ya why - and it's probably not why you think.
It's not that I'm pissed that they are Conservative, or that they have different opinions than me. That's life. Some opinions are worse to deal with than others, but whatever. Doesn't bother me to hear them say what they WANT to do, though of course I have a different opinion most of the time and then want to argue against it. That isn't it, though.
It's that they use
terrible and illogical arguments to make their points. It's like they go out of their way to forgo the convincing and rational argument for their point in favor of idiotic and demonizing ones every time.
My older brother is a Conservative and he likes to talk about politics a lot. He's very intelligent and for every Conservative (fiscal and foreign policy, not so much social) position you can imagine, he can come up with a reasonable and factual argument for why this is a good thing to support. Sometimes it's pretty convincing and he has definitely helped me understand which of my arguments hold water and which don't. We have fun conversations about politics all the time.
But he too is disgusted with the level of argumentation and the direction of conversation that is used in the Republican party nowadays. I have no doubt that he pulled the lever for his guys in this last election, but he's always talking about how disappointing it is that the face of the party can't make intelligent arguments for things and in many cases rely upon emotional exhortations and overblown cries of Socialism to get people riled up.
I would have more respect for Republican pundits and many of their politicians if they would take the time to formulate logical and fact-based arguments for their position, and cut down on the constant stream of bullshit.
I know you probably feel different about it, but I'm sorry to say that you suffer from many of the same problems that your pundits and politicians do in this area. I think that your position that Glenn Beck is someone to be respected and listened to, someone who is knowledgeable about the things he speaks about, marks you as someone who may not be able to tell the signs of whether or not someone is well-informed on a topic.
Cycloptichorn