AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Yeah.. so it goes.

Repeat the lie again and again in large letters.

YOUR POST IS FALSE!

(1) American voters do not prefer all of the Bush-like government and economy.
(2) While Bush-like government and economy got us into this mess, Obama-like government has greatly increased the mess made by Bush-like government and economy.
(3) There's a cure for your "stupid:" you merely have to stop ignoring the greatly increased mess made by Obama-like government and economy.
(4) Obama promised to redistribute wealth and has partially succeeded in keeping his promise, which has created the current huge mess.
(5) American voters now prefer Reagan-like government and economy plus the additional tax cuts adopted under Bush, all of which have produced increased revenue for the federal government.

Parados, why do you deny the truth that:
Leftist liberals seek to secure their right to steal wealth others earn;
Rightist liberals seek to secure their right to retain wealth they earn.

You harp on imaginary things.

ican,
If someone takes wealth from someone else is it always stealing?

If someone takes wealth from someone else it is not always stealing!

If A takes wealth from B who has earned it, and gives it to C or A who has not earned it, that is always stealing.

But if A takes wealth from someone who stole it and lawflly gives it back (e.g., police or court work) to the person who earned it, that is not stealing.

If the fed lawfully takes wealth from B who has earned it to pay D who subsequently lawfully earns it (e.g., a fed soldier paid to defend B), that is not stealing.

There are many more examples of stealing and many more of not stealing when taking money from someone who has earned it and giving it to someone who has or has not lawfully earned it.

If someone gets wealthy by trickery you would right to take back that wealth.

Is it stealing if it isn't against the law?


For instance, a banker A takes money from B and gives it to C who hasn't earned it.

If someone gets wealthy by unlawful trickery, you would have a right to take back that wealth with the aid of lawful law enforcers, when one is able to prove in a lawful court that the wealth was taken by unlawful trickery..

It is not stealing if it isn't against lawful law: that is, law consistent with the "supreme law of the land."

Goldman Sachs tricking investors and lending for municipal infrastructure loans with lenders getting underhanded payback.

We can't hear you! Your yelling isn't loud enough!

I wish that asshole would stop saying leftist liberals. It's a little like an updated version of Hester Prynne, only ican's letter is an S.

WHAT ABOUT THE CAPTAINS OF INDUSTRY WHOSE INCOMES HAVE RISEN ASTRONOMICALLY OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS WHILE THE REAL INCOMES OF 80% OF AMERICAN WORKERS HAVE REMAINED THE SAME? WHY AREN'T YOU ANGRY ABOUT THAT THEFT?

It is the Board of Directors hand-picked by the CEOs and Chairmen. The Board Directors are also CEOs in other companies thus the interlocking Directorates give themselves golden parachutes and whatnots.

Those same Wall Street people who robbed and raped America are still holding down jobs. The government saved them but they're trying to bite the hand that fed them, looking to bring down Obama and proclaiming that their brains saved them.

Brains? Business majors???!!!

Listen to yesterday's edition of Planet Money.

Pampered, aren't they? You bet!

Worthless, shouldn't they be! Yes, but, god is dead.

Here is a story that explains why so many professed Christians are hated (their hypocrisy is generally writ large) and why many conservatives just "don't get no respect."

This week in crazy: Bishop Eddie Long
Another powerful anti-gay pastor becomes ensnared in his own sordid same-sex scandal
BY MARY ELIZABETH WILLIAMS

Reuters/Salon
Bishop Eddie Long
New Birth Church Bishop Eddie Long is one of the most powerful Christian leaders in America. He has marched against gay marriage and summed up his views on homosexuality as, "Everybody knows it's dangerous to enter an exit." His church offers an "Out of the Wilderness" counseling service to "men and women struggling with homosexuality … who desire healing and deliverance through the Word of God." Cue gay sex-abuse scandal.

Yes, Bishop Long's anti-gay crusade took a grim and familiar turn this week when Long found himself slapped with lawsuits from three men who say the pastor coerced them into "sexual massages" and oral sodomy while they were still in their teens. His three accusers, now in their early twenties, say that Long recruited them into his youth ministry and began pursuing them sexually, lavishing them with "cars, clothes, jewelry and electronics" and treating them to trips in private jets and fancy hotels. But Long's lawyer Craig Gillen explained this week that his client's largesse was merely "part of a mentoring program." And if you can't mentor somebody in the Times Square W Hotel, where can you mentor him?

Along with the deeply troubling possibility that the pastor used his LongFellows program for young men – many of whom come into the church from fatherless homes in their early teens – as a means of seduction, the story gets several added shudders from the allegations leveled on Rick Sanchez's CNN show this week: that Long was financing the whole extravagant caboodle with "monetary funds from the accounts of New Birth ... in other words, money from the congregation."

The charges have yet to be substantiated, but this week Long's reputation received an added blow when ABC aired photos of the minister posing in a bathroom in the sort of skintight muscle shirts that straight dudes not appearing on "Jersey Shore" generally steer clear of.

Long himself has remained relatively tight-lipped so far. On Thursday the preacher abruptly backed out of an appearance on Tom Joyner's radio program and issued a terse statement on the New Birth website to "categorically deny each and every one of these ugly charges." He's vowed to directly address the accusations from the pulpit Sunday morning. So while we're waiting to hear directly from the preacher himself, let's get to know Eddie Long!

The married father of four has been a pastor for over 23 years, with a super-sized mega church outside of Atlanta that boasts 25,000 members and famously hosted Coretta Scott King's funeral in 2006. In 2005, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Long has been the "biggest beneficiary" of his church's own charity, an ostensibly gospel-spreading nonprofit that doled out over a million dollars to the man of God in salary alone, and provided him with a vast estate and a Bentley. Blessed may be the poor in spirit, but the prosperity-preaching Long explained at the time that "We're not just a bumbling bunch of preachers who can't talk and all we're doing is baptizing babies. I deal with the White House. I deal with Tony Blair. I deal with presidents around this world. I pastor a multimillion-dollar congregation. You've got to put me on a different scale than the little black preacher sitting over there that's supposed to be just getting by because the people are suffering." A scale that's got a Bentley on it.

Long, who refers to himself as the "spiritual daddy" of his flock, also runs a "Samson's Health and Fitness Club" on the Church's grounds. The club's logo is of a shirtless, seriously ripped Biblical hero. Daddies and Samsons -- just jump in whenever any of this stops sounding totally gay.

The 57-year-old millionaire minister still has numerous supporters, including the definitely not gay anymore, male escort using Ted Haggard, who quipped to Anderson Cooper this week, "We have police officers that get speeding tickets" but added rather more insightfully that, "It's important to understand the human condition. People have ideals that they violate." Whatever occurs with the lawsuits against him, it's possible Eddie Long's flock will now have second thoughts about where its money is going when the collection plate goes around, and reconsider why he once vociferously decreed homosexuality a "spiritual abortion." Maybe, for a few of the good Christians of Atlanta, Eddie Long's undoing is an opportunity to examine the trustworthiness of a well-compensated leader, and whether attacking gays has anything at all to do with glorifying God. And in the midst of Eddie Long's big bundle of crazy, that could be a rather sane outcome.



Mary Elizabeth Williams is a staff writer for Salon and the author of "Gimme Shelter: My Three Years Searching for the American Dream." Follow her on Twitter: http://twitter.com/embeedub More Mary Elizabeth Williams

therein lies your problem ican-

You can't show me where taxes are against the law.
If they were against the law it would say so in the law.
If they were against the constitution then the courts would be willing to say as much.

Since taxes aren't against the law what you call stealing isn't stealing. It is simply a political argument where you make up meanings and expect us to believe them without any evidence.

Thr wealth of captains of industry is derived from the profits their mangement and/or investments have lawfully earned for them.

They did not steal it!

The real income of Americans working in the private sector "OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS" has been stifled by excessive federal spending.

The real income of Americans working in the public sector "OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS" has been doubled by excessive federal spending.


Betcha cannot correctly comprehend the following: