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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 02:23 pm
@ican711nm,
Maybe you should just admit you are really stupid ican.

Look at the numbers you posted then look at this statement you made

Quote:
he could not obtain a majority of the Democrats in Congress to vote for his anti descrimination laws.

You didn't make a correction. You only tried to hide the fact that you head was up your behind (again).
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 02:26 pm
@parados,
Johnson could not obtain enough Democrat votes in the Senate to override the Democrat filibuster. The Republicans came to the rescue.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 02:30 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
he could not obtain a majority of the Democrats in Congress to vote for his anti descrimination laws.

Quote:
The original House version:[11]
Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%–39%)


Quote:
Cloture in the Senate:[12]
Democratic Party: 44-23 (66%–34%)


Quote:
The Senate version:[11]
Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%–31%)


The Senate version, voted on by the House:[11]
Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%–37%)


Now that I posted your statement AND you numbers in the same place perhaps you can tell us how over 60% is NOT a majority. Did you fail 4th grade math ican?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 02:36 pm
Quote:
DISCLOSE Act is back - Freedom of speech in danger


Harry Reid is trying to shove through ANOTHER bill that has nothing to do with jobs or
the economy. He is attempting to force the DISCLOSE Act through once more, hoping
that this time he can convince one more Senator to say yes.

As a reminder, the DISCLOSE Act -

Exempts unions from many of the restrictions that would be placed on other groups who
are trying to influence elections

Exempts extremely large groups that have existed for years and years from many of the
restrictions that would be placed on newly formed groups such as ours

Would be implemented in time for this November's elections, just in time to help
incumbents stay in power

Creates two tiers of freedom of speech, particularly political speech - some of us would
be restricted while others will not be

Is it a coincidence that Harry Reid is attempting to shove this down our throats just
two days after Tea Party Patriots announces the $1 million donation?

Is it also a coincidence that the Democrats are waiting to vote on the DISCLOSE Act
until after they attend a high-dollar fundraiser tonight? You decide.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 02:42 pm
Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19848&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
How Seniors Will Pay for ObamaCare
The cost of ObamaCare will be quite high for some people, says John C. Goodman, president, CEO and Kellye Wright Fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis.

By 2017, thousands of people in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio will be paying more than $5,000 a year in lost health care benefits to make ObamaCare possible, according to a study published this month by Robert Book at the Heritage Foundation and James Capretta at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

For some New York City dwellers, the figure will exceed $6,000 a year.

Residents of Ascension, La., will pay more than $9,000 in lost benefits.

Who are these people? These are the enrollees in Medicare Advantage plans. In many areas, Medicare Advantage enrollees will lose about one-third or more of their health-insurance benefits, says Goodman.


Ostensibly, Medicare Advantage plans do everything President Obama says he wants to accomplish with health reform, including provide subsidized coverage to low- and moderate-income people and no pre-existing condition limitations.

On measures of quality and efficiency, they also score well. According to a study published in June by the trade group America's Health Insurance Plans:

Medicare Advantage enrollees had 33 percent more doctor visits (presumably representing more primary care), yet experienced 18 percent fewer hospital days and 10 percent fewer hospital admissions than conventional Medicare patients.

They had 27 percent fewer emergency room visits, 13 percent fewer avoidable admissions, and 42 percent fewer readmissions.

According to a report published in April by the Medicare Office of the Actuary, about 7.4 million people who would have been enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans in 2017 will lose their coverage completely. Those who are able to retain their coverage will lose significant benefits.

To those who view this as an entitlement wash, don't be misled. Many of the seniors losing their health plans will enroll in taxpayer-funded Medicaid, in addition to Medicare, says Goodman.

Source: John C. Goodman, "How Seniors Will Pay for ObamaCare," Wall Street Journal, September 23, 2010.

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 07:44 pm
Good evening.
If any of yall are interested, there is a new thread on A2K called "The A2K November, 2010, Election Game!"
Players are invited to predict how the U.S. Senate will be comprised after the voting on November 2nd.
Please join us there.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:03 pm
@ican711nm,
So, do you want a medal? That doesn't make Republicans liberals or heroes. There were compromises made and the voting was done to honor the recently slain JFK. Furthermore, the two parties were much closer together then.

Your large type and your jumping up and down, screaming percentage just makes you look pettier than you are, if that is possible.

And does the percentage matter when there simply were more Democrats than Republicans? We all know the southern Democrats were assholes.

LEt's see your claim that the college kids who participated in Freedom Summer were conservatives. Your mind is sufficiently twisted that you will find a way to do that.

But, ultimately, Democrat does not equal liberal. In fact, today's Democrats are, at best, centrist. Of course, you have no idea where the center is, because you are too far right for your own good, let alone the good of those around you.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 08:06 pm
@ican711nm,
Interesting. The stats I provided were for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and not the Voting Rights Act.

Well, obviously, the Republicans were trying to seduce Blacks. Didn't work, did it?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 23 Sep, 2010 10:39 pm
@plainoldme,
Quote:
But, ultimately, Democrat does not equal liberal


yet you constantly assume that conservative equals republican.
Why is that?
And dont say that there are no conservatives in the dem party, because we both know there are.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 01:45 pm
Today's democrats are leftist liberals.

Leftist liberals want to secure their liberty to steal the property others earned.

Rightist liberals want to secure their liberty to possess the property they easrned.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 06:01 pm
@ican711nm,
The Republicans were persuaded by the talents of LBJ and were commemorating the recent murder of JFK.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 06:06 pm
@ican711nm,
Only an asshole would say something as stupid as leftist liberals. You sound like the overweight high school girl who constantly finds that everyone leaves the table when she tries to join them in the cafeteria.

If conservatives or leftist liberals or rightist prigs are in favor of freedom, why are they against abortion, against gays serving in the military?

Seems like those rightist prigs care far too much about what goes on the bedroom.

What about the captains of industry that make 400 times what their janitors earn and do less work than the janitors/ That is theft.

Reread Ninteen Eighty-Four which is about people like you: Big Brother and the Party spying in the bedrooms, denying education, promoting stupidity.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
Good evening.
The November election is just 6 weeks away.
Surely the majority of the voters will agree with you.
There is a new A2K thread where we invite you to predict the outcome of the Senate election and, of course, to offer any commentary you would like.
The thread is called "The A2K November, 2010, Election Game!"

House and races for Governors will be added later. Right now it is just the Senate. We look forward to hearing from you there.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 24 Sep, 2010 07:03 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Reread Ninteen Eighty-Four which is about people like you: Big Brother and the Party spying in the bedrooms, denying education, promoting stupidity.

You too have succumbed. Sad, very sad.
Quote:

http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/o/orwell/george/o79n/
George Orwell in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, Part III, Chapter IV, wrote:

Leader says to plainoldme, Anything could be true. The so-called laws of Nature were nonsense. The law of gravity was nonsense. Leader said, 'I could float off this floor like a soap bubble' ... I plainoldme, a MALL (i.e., Modern American Leftist Liberal) thinks, 'If Leader THINKS he floats off the floor, and if I simultaneously THINK I see him do it, then the thing happens.' Suddenly, like a lump of submerged wreckage breaking the surface of water, the thought burst into plainoldme's mind: 'It doesn't really happen. We imagine it. It is hallucination.' Plainoldme pushed the thought under instantly. The fallacy was obvious. It presupposed that somewhere or other, outside oneself, there was a 'real' world where 'real' things happened. But how could there be such a world? What knowledge have we of anything, save through our own minds? All happenings are in the mind. Whatever happens in all minds, truly happens.

Plainoldme had no difficulty in disposing of the fallacy, and plainoldme was in no danger of succumbing to it. Plainoldme realized, nevertheless, that it ought never to have occurred to her . The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive. CRIMESTOP, they called it in Newspeak.
insertions by ican


Yeah, plainoldme! Newspeak!
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 03:59 pm
Any comments on the Republicans' Pledge To America?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 07:40 pm
@realjohnboy,
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130071318

To me, it sounded like the Contract with America, which is how NPR describes it. It also sounds like the Republicans don't like Obama so they seek to set back the American clock either/or (perhaps, simultaneously to both!) the late-Reagan years or the early-Bush years.

No matter what, it's a retread.

The Republican emphasis on tort reform is a red herring. If the American Right loves children so much that it is against abortion, why does the American Right want to force women to give birth to defective kids and why, when kids are born defective or become ill or injured, does the American Right -- who surely must be among those running insurance companies -- think it is alright to deny health insurance to children with pre-existing conditions?

That sounds like the American Right wants to punish parents for having sick kids. Furthermore, those parents are highly likely to be among the bottom four quintiles, the 80% of workers whose wages have atrophied since 1979.

Another illustration of how great a lie george bush's compassionate conservatism was. The more closely I examine conservatives, the more I see that no other word is appropriate to describe them than monster.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 07:42 pm
@plainoldme,
The full text can be viewed by scrolling down on the link I provided. It is full of platitudes and says little.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 07:44 pm
@plainoldme,
Either Wednesday but possibly Friday, there was a story on NPR about a survey that showed while most Americans are unhappy with the Democrats in Congress, they are even more unhappy with the Republicans. Despite that, a story on NPr earlier today reports that people are turning toward the Republican Party. Drunk
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Sep, 2010 11:22 pm
@plainoldme,
I've given up on the American voters; they prefer Bush-like government and economy that got us into this mess. There's no cure for stupid.

They also don't know that Obama has met most of his campaign promises; what in hell do they want?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 26 Sep, 2010 11:35 am
So it goes!
Leftist liberals seek to secure their right to steal wealth others earn.
Rightist liberals seek to secure their right to retain wealth they earn.

 

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