AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

P.S. I don't know how big of an issue the mosque thing was for Democrats, but the reason I mentioned it especially is the fact that I have run onto even Democrats and perhaps Independents that are ticked off with Obama over it, and they are Democrats or Independents, so that tells me more than if it were only Republicans picking on Obama for all of his boners.

You are so typical as a liberal, cyclops, you go back to the old well of bigotry accusations. Shallow thinking. It is frankly both sickening and tiresome, because it is ignorance and demagoguery that causes those accusations.

People are not stupid, and most people understand that the Islamic religion promotes something called "jihad," and that many terrorists have connections to mosques, and that even mainstream Islam has not vigorously mounted any kind of significant opposition to terrorist actions.

In fact, the most vigorous opposition more or less amounts to the idea that we brought this onto ourselves by our history of so called "imperialism." In fact, just listen to the Jeremiah Wright, who said the chickens came home to roost, it was basically our fault. So sensible people see the building of the mosque on Ground Zero as an insult, which is what it is, cyclops, you should know it too.

I resent your accusations of bigotry.

You have no evidence whatsoever for your accusations. They are baseless and frankly insulting. We can disagree on grounds of reason, but you can desist from your name calling and fraudulant accusations.

I think the mosque idea near the 9/11 site is no different than if the Japanese wanted to build a huge memorial honoring the kamakazes in the center of Pearl Harbor

and I doubt that idea would ever go very far, especially in the early 50's. Maybe now it would because you would have liberals around doing what they always do, accusing the opposition of bigotry.

One last obvious point that probably has not been made very well, that of zoning. Nobody can build anything they want anywhere based solely upon private property rights. There are tons of things I cannot build here where I live, nor could I buy a piece of property in an area of national significance and build anything there. In fact, the idea is frankly silly that it is simply a matter of property rights, as Obama implied. And people recognize the silliness of it, and that is why he loses ground with people of all political stripes.

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I oppose the mosque based upon zoning issues

and my belief that the area now carries national significance as a historical site sacred to Americans.

Therefore, any construction of whatever there must pass muster in terms of how it fits in with the national significance of the area. I believe my views are consistent with what most Americans would believe and think, and it has nothing to do with bigotry, it has to do with reality.

So, away with your silly and stupid accusations of bigotry, as your continued insistence of that only denigrates your own character and credibility.

Another issue I just thought of, a mosque is only going to gender more resentment of mainstream Islamic religion

when people visit the area, which is only going to be a bad thing for every citizen of this country regardless of their religious beliefs. The Islamic religious leaders should know this, and I think they do know this, and so it may reveal their motives as I have already pointed out. It would be far wiser for them to build their mosque somewhere else, there is no need to build it there on an area of national meaning and sacred significance to all people.

mm, very fascinating story you have there about the fake Tea Party person.

Before the mosque thing is put to rest, as it appears no resolution will be resolved here, I would be interested in your opinion about that. As usual, as soon as I raised the subject as a big negative for the Democrats, I became the target of name callers and insults, and accusation of bigotry, that is the tried and true reservoir of ammunition for opponents of conservatives.

I'm gonna weigh in on this issue, and probably piss off a lot of other conservatives.
Not only do I support the building of the mosque, I am willing to go help them build it.

The mosque is not being built AT the site, but 2 blocks away.
While I do agree it should not be built on ground zero, nobody has mentioned that idea nor is it a remote possibility.
FYI, I dont think anything should be built on ground zero, it should remain a public park.

But all of this complaining about a mosque being built 2 blocks away overlooks the fact that we are missing a golden opportunity to show that we are not at war with all of Islam, and it would also show that this country is tolerant of other religions.

Now, all of you that are against the mosque because it would somehow "desecrate" hallowed ground, why dont you complain about the strip clubs and peep shows within 2 blocks of ground zero?
It seems to me that those do more to "desecrate" ground zero then any church will.

I resent your accusations of bigotry.

I think the mosque idea near the 9/11 site is no different than if the Japanese wanted to build a huge memorial honoring the kamakazes in the center of Pearl Harbor

It is not going to be beneficial to allow the Islamic religion to totally have its way and sway anywhere it pleases, and so I do not think it beneficial or right to allow the mosque near Ground Zero.

The legal defense for the Islamic boy that murdered his sister was that Danish law had no jurisdiction over the case, that in fact under Islamic law, the murder of his sister was an honorable act. Such an event was apparently a mainstream thinking process of Islamic people in that community. I never heard what the conclusion of the case was, but I also know that in other European countries like France, Islamic areas want to rule themselves according to Islamic law. I realize this issue is different than the mosque, but face it folks, realize the realities of what may be on the horizon in this country, and we don't need to start a pattern of cowtowing to the factions involved.