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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 02:49 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Walter, in America, murder is murder and it is prosecuted without regard to whether you are Islamic, Holy Roller, or atheist.


My guess is that it is in Denmark as well.

Who cares what stupid defense the guy put forward? People put forward stupid defenses all the time here in the US - from every religious and ethnic background.

Cycloptichorn
old europe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 03:10 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
What Christian church is proposing to build a church there? Especially one that is several stories high? I guess I have not heard about that, oe.

I thought you were offended by the notion that a mosque is a monument to terrorism, not by the height of the building.

So you wouldn't allow any religious group to build something of a certain height near the WTC site? What height do you have in mind?

EDIT: Also, what would be the exclusion radius for religious buildings - how many blocks around the WTC site?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 03:20 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Walter, in America, murder is murder and it is prosecuted without regard to whether you are Islamic, Holy Roller, or atheist.


My guess is that it is in Denmark as well.



I'm sure that okie is well aware about the definition of and penalties for murder in the Straffeloven.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 03:20 pm
@old europe,
Quote:

EDIT: Also, what would be the exclusion radius for religious buildings - how many blocks around the WTC site?


I already asked that question, didn't get an answer.

Cycloptichorn
old europe
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 03:27 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well, I kinda like okie's egalitarian approach to denying First Amendment rights, so I'm interested in what he's proposing to do with the Christian churches that are both larger and closer to the WTC site than the mosque in the proposed cultural center.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:04 pm
@old europe,
I checked out the map shown below, seemingly supporting the argument that the proposed Mosque is not actually super close to Ground Zero, but it is pretty close actually. If I am not mistaken the mosque site is the little red square north of the purple highlighted Ground Zero. I think the entire Manhattan area around Ground Zero should have some special zoning considerations applied to it. It seems logical to me that what existed there prior to 9/11 should have some grandfathering in perhaps, such as existing churches, but no new ones now, and anything new needs to be compatible with the historical significance of the area including and immediately surrounding Ground Zero.

Actually, the mosque problem is pretty simple, just move it somewhere away from the area that should have special zoning now. Since Islamic folks say it is not a monument to 9/11, then it should not matter at all that it is moved somewhere else away from it, after all why would they want to invite controversy any more than the relatives of 9/11 for example that especially object to it being built there? Simple move it, and problem solved.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ov-pT1x-W8Y/TFSXBdupdHI/AAAAAAAADW0/W8zqPWFk6rs/s400/cordoba.png
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:11 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Quote:
I resent your accusations of bigotry. It is an age old ploy of demagoguery used by liberals and Democrats, but it is a lie, cyclops. You have no evidence whatsoever for your accusations. They are baseless and frankly insulting. We can disagree on grounds of reason, but you can desist from your name calling and fraudulant accusations.


After he addressed cyclo in this manner:

Quote:
You are so typical as a liberal, cyclops, you go back to the old well of bigotry accusations. Shallow thinking. It is frankly both sickening and tiresome, because it is ignorance and demagoguery that causes those accusations.


In other words, it is alright for okie to insult and decry and defame and to make up stuff out of the whole cloth about what he supposes liberals and Democrats are but should someone else say something that ruffles okie's feathers, he is all over them, accusing them of lying, name calling and insulting him and conservatives.

There are no two way streets in okie's world.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Hey, among okie's areas of expertise are NYC zoning codes. He is omnipresent and omniscient. A true godhead.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:15 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

There are no two way streets in okie's world.

A little distinction here, I did not accuse cyclops of bigotry, it was cyclops that made that accusation, which I think is far more serious than accusing him of using demagoguery. I think also that there is more evidence of the demagoguery than there is of me being bigoted.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:16 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Walter, in America, murder is murder and it is prosecuted without regard to whether you are Islamic, Holy Roller, or atheist.


This statement suggests that murder is not prosecuted in Europe.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:17 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Hey, among okie's areas of expertise are NYC zoning codes. He is omnipresent and omniscient. A true godhead.

oe asked me some questions. I answered themw with an opinion, with evidence. A map is always useful to show scale and proximity, which is crucial to understanding this issue.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:18 pm
@old europe,
I already asked how far a mosque had to be from Ground Zero to be acceptable. Shall we start counting down to see how many seconds it will take okie to demand that I show him when I wrote that and to see him call me a liar and to demand an apology?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You asked that question as well? That makes three of us. Wonder when we will have a quorum?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:19 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Quote:
Walter, in America, murder is murder and it is prosecuted without regard to whether you are Islamic, Holy Roller, or atheist.


This statement suggests that murder is not prosecuted in Europe.

No, perhaps my statement was not clear, what I meant was that murder may not be murder if you go by Islamic law and allow it to determine the outcome of the case like it occurred in Denmark. I think most people would be able to read what I wrote with comprehension, but not much surprises me anymore.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:20 pm
@okie,
okie, What other time(s) have you ever used a map for the same purpose?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:23 pm
@okie,
Quote:
A little distinction here, I did not accuse cyclops of bigotry, it was cyclops that made that accusation


THen, I must have imagined those two posts that I cut and pasted from posts of yours.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:23 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

EDIT: Also, what would be the exclusion radius for religious buildings - how many blocks around the WTC site?

I don't know, but I think that should be debated between folks that have a stake in this historical site, including the relatives of those that died there, New York City officials, plus other agencies as well like maybe Homeland Security, etc.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:28 pm
@okie,
The "historical site?" The planned site for the community center/mosque was a coat factory.

My only question is, how dumb are you?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:30 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I answered themw with an opinion, with evidence.


No, you did not. You posted two comments in which you spoke about the mosque violating zoning ordinances before you presented the map.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 24 Aug, 2010 08:32 pm
@okie,
Your defense does not match your original statement which was a jingoist proclamation of America's alleged superiority over Europe.
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