AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@cicerone imposter,

I suspect you and pom do not like the linked chart of information because it disagrees with your preconceived notions of your superior intelligence.

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@Irishk,

Irishk wrote:

...they're certainly not the majority, although I don't know what the official split is.

I was right...just barely! Back in May of 2009, just 39% of the country identified as Republican, with 53% identifying as Democrat. (Gallup)

As of 8/17/10 (Gallup) party identification is split evenly at 42% each.

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

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It was you that claimed Republicans were less intelligent than other people

sarah palin. ann coulter. michelle bachman. george w. bush. barbara bush. Shall I continue?

All people with class and intelligence, especially Barbara Bush in the area of having "class."

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@okie,

No, that chart doesn't bother me; it has no bearing on what you are trying to prove. Here's another fact: Average Asian income in the US is the highest.

Doesn't mean all Asians are republicans.

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Behind the Headlines: APA News Blog

Academic Version: Applying my personal experiences and academic research as a professor of Sociology and Asian American Studies to provide a more complete understanding of political, economic, and cultural issues and current events related to American race relations, and Asia/Asian America in particular.

Plain English: Trying to put my Ph.D. to good use.
January 2, 2008
Young Asian Americans Leaning More Democratic

On the eve of the Iowa caucus, officially kicking off the 2008 Presidential race, here’s a post for the politically-minded.

Read more: http://www.asian-nation.org/headlines/2008/01/young-asian-americans-leaning-more-democratic/#ixzz0xUMGWSXa

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@Irishk,

Interesting. How about the numbers of actual registration by party, not just the number of people identifying themselves as Republicans or Democrats? It would make much difference I think as to how the polling is done and what questions are asked. Do you have a link to the info.?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

No, that chart doesn't bother me; it has no bearing on what you are trying to prove. Here's another fact: Average Asian income in the US is the highest.

Doesn't mean all Asians are republicans.

It would be interesting to know their party affiliation. And your information definitely proves that minorities that start out with little or nothing here can succeed in great fashion. A year or so ago, I attended a seminar or meeting at a hotel in a South LA suburb, I think in Orange County, in the middle of a very concentrated population of Vietnamese. It was fascinating because the Vietnamese had mostly come here with nothing, having escaped from a Communist regime when they took over, but the people in that community had thrived in a tremendous way. I was told that many or most were very successful and had become quite well off, and by the looks of their cars in the grocery store parking lot, I believed it completely.

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@okie,

Party identification chart posted on 8/17:

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/df1kx-_15k6gqeqvcsyuva.gif

More charts and info on the webpage:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142166/GOP-Shows-Strongest-Positioning-Yet-2010-Vote-Test.aspx

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@Irishk,

Thanks for the charts. Very interesting. It looks like Obama might end up being the best thing that ever happened for the Republican Party?

I really like this chart from your link. The stars may be aligning just right at about the right time. This year could be bigger than 1994?

http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/a_xbcngsck2li5ppx4ebpw.gif

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@okie,

No, because the chart makes no sense. In fact, it is not a chart. Is this something that you constructed? It in no way conforms to any manner of constructing a chart.

BEsides, there have been several posts demonstrating, with government statistics as well as surveys from reputable sources, that liberals are more apt to be better educated than conservatives.

Yes, you like to dis- liberals and prance about, proclaiming your self-described superiority, but you have never demonstrated the four standard indicators of intelligence: memory, humor, logic and adaptability.

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@okie,

okie, Here's an article from the same link I posted above:

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The Institute of Politics at Harvard University recently released data from an online survey of 2,525 18- to 24-year-olds. Among the survey’s more notable statistics are those concerning party affiliation among Asian-Americans: 47 percent identify themselves as Democratic, 15 percent Republican and 39 percent independent — making them more Democratic than any other ethnic group except African-Americans in the survey. . . .

Young Asian-Americans are significantly more Democratic than young whites, who are roughly evenly split between the two major parties. And Asian-Americans of all ages have been trending Democratic for years. But they were once a dependable Republican constituency. According to data from the Asian-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, former President George H.W. Bush got 24 percent more of the Asian-American vote than did Bill Clinton in 1992.

Read more: http://www.asian-nation.org/headlines/2008/01/young-asian-americans-leaning-more-democratic/#ixzz0xUPZi8wR

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@okie,

Barbara's most famous saying was describing Geraldine Ferraro as rhyming with rich. That's not classy. Barbara attended the prestigious Ashley Hall school for girls in Charleston, SC, where she formed cliques and blackballed girls she disliked. She was admitted to Smith College, one of the old Seven Sisters to the Ivy League, not because of her grades but because of the prestige of her prep school. Barbara's grades at Smith were so poor that college recommended she take a year off to "think about what she wanted to do with her life." Barbara literally told Smith where to get off because she was already engaged to George Herbert Walker Bush. She had her "Mrs.," so there was no reason to put up with Smith College and its demands.

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@okie,

Actual registration means nothing. In the small towns of New England, most people register as independents until a few weeks prior to a primary, when they change their registration to sway said primary. There are always boxes outside the polls with paper forms . . . usually made up of strips of paper cut from standard typing paper . . . that allow voters to instantly revert to independents.

I lived in NH in 1976. I thought ronald raygun was so evil that I changed my registration to Republican so that I could vote against him in the primary by voting for whatever Repub non-entity was also running.

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@okie,

That chart just might illustrate what I had to say about party identification being meaningless.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

This year could be bigger than 1994?

40 is the magic number and although some pollsters like Charlie Cook (is he R leaning?) says yes, Nate Silver (D leaning) of 538.com says "...you don't just take the generic ballot as is; you have to use it in stages, as part of a district-by-district forecast." I think he's on to something.

In another thread, I posted a fascinating study done by one of Pollster.com's interns on elections and the generic ballot. He's convinced, doing all the research, that the R's will pick up 40+ seats and has the stats and charts to back it up. We'll see if he's right in a couple of months!

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People for the American Way has a campaign designed to teach sarah palin the First Amendment.

Lots of luck! She's a thick one!

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@plainoldme,

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Bullshit. Those white collar criminals steal from hourly workers. Lying bastards all of them

Why leave it at white collar criminals?
Lets examine closer.

If someone were to offer you a job, paying over 1,000,000 $ per year, would you take it?
If it was a legal job, irrespective of what the job is at the moment, would you take it?

Also, pro athletes make millions of dollars every year.
Are they stealing it from anyone?
Or, are they getting paid for their talent and ability?
I love the game of baseball, but I dont have (and never did have) the talent to play pro ball.
Does that mean I begrudge those that can?
No, it doesnt.
While you may think that they arent worth what they are getting paid, if the owners of the teams want to pay that much, they have that right.

The same holds true in the corporate world.
If the board of a company wants to pay a CEO an ungodly amount, they have that right.
You may not like it, but you have no right to try to tell them what they can pay.
What if it was decided that you were getting paid to much.
Would you accept a pay cut because others thought you made to much, or would you tell them to piss off because it was none of their business?

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Yes, mysteryman, let's by all means examine closer.
People on your side of the aisle have been excoriating union workers as being paid too much through legally negotiated contracts. At the same time they defend legally negotiated executive pay scales at those same companies. I assume you would disagree with them, right? Union workers have an equal right to be paid whatever the company agrees to, right? And it's fully justified that they get it, right? Am I interpreting your point correctly, here? Any you think okie and ican and their ilk have no right to complain about the union pay, right?

Consider also the case of the financial institution meltdown we've been staggering through. Merrill Lynch in 2008 lost its investors 27 billion, that's Billion, dollars. The same year they lost that, they paid over 700 employees bonuses of over a million dollars apiece. The top four received a combined total of $121 million dollars. Is that justified, do you think? Or is something rotten in the system?

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@MontereyJack,

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People on your side of the aisle have been excoriating union workers as being paid too much through legally negotiated contracts. At the same time they defend legally negotiated executive pay scales at those same companies. I assume you would disagree with them, right? Union workers have an equal right to be paid whatever the company agrees to, right? And it's fully justified that they get it, right? Am I interpreting your point correctly, here? Any you think okie and ican and their ilk have no right to complain about the union pay, right?

Yes, in a nutshell I do disagree with okie and ican on this point.

ANY employee has the right to earn as much money as they possibly can, as long as its done legally.
Its not up to me to say how much oney a person can earn, nor should it be.

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Consider also the case of the financial institution meltdown we've been staggering through. Merrill Lynch in 2008 lost its investors 27 billion, that's Billion, dollars. The same year they lost that, they paid over 700 employees bonuses of over a million dollars apiece. The top four received a combined total of $121 million dollars. Is that justified, do you think? Or is something rotten in the system

Here is where I admit I am troubled.
IMHO, they should not have paid those bonuses.
HOWEVER, if those bonuses were writen into those employees contracts, then yes they should pay them.
Its not a matter of them being "justified" or not, its a matter of honoring a contract.

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To the question, what is a liberal, I would like to provide an example. This link is to a story about green, sustainable, co-housing communities, which, to me, are liberalism is action:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/08/green-living-takes-root-in-communes-co-housing-eco-villages/1?csp=usat.me

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Thanks for the charts. Very interesting. It looks like Obama might end up being the best thing that ever happened for the Republican Party?

I really like this chart from your link. The stars may be aligning just right at about the right time. This year could be bigger than 1994?

Really? A month ago, Dems were on top by 6 points, now Republicans are up by 7. But the election isn't for another 2 1/2 months. Who can say how things will look by then?

Cycloptichorn

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