Born-Again Christians: Most annoying people on the planet?

But I would like your opinion on the moral rights aspect of it, if you don't mind. In this situation, where one person doesn't want to hear about Jesus or be saved or converted, is it the moral right of the christian to try anyway

echi!!!!

where have you been?

I was thinking about you just the other day, no kidding.

real life wrote:

kickycan wrote:

real life wrote:

kickycan wrote:

Their right to practice their belief ends the moment it infringes on my right to be left the hell alone. If you disagree, then I'd like to know why you feel that way.

Well, it's not a matter of feeling, but I'll be glad to answer.

First, I'd like to be clear on what you are asking.

You speak of your 'right' to be left alone.

Are you referring to a 'legal right', (i.e. are you suggesting that they are doing something illegal) ?

Are you referring to a 'moral right' to be left alone?

If so, I would think that a moral relativist would be on sinking sand if he attempted to tell others what their moral rights are.

Let me know exactly what you mean by your 'right to be left alone' , and we'll discuss.

See Gilby's comment above. This isn't a political stand I'm making. I'm talking about respecting my wish to not be preached to. Just as a person living in this world with others: Do you think my desire to be left alone on this particular topic should be secondary to the desire of the christian who believes I need to hear it in order to be saved?

Thanks for the clarification.

So we're not talking about 'rights' at all.

We're talking about courtesy, which is pretty much in the eye of the beholder.

But I would like your opinion on the moral rights aspect of it, if you don't mind. In this situation, where one person doesn't want to hear about Jesus or be saved or converted, is it the moral right of the christian to try anyway?

If I got such a book from someone I would (hopefully) wait until I was calm, and then send it back with a note saying something like:

You understand her good intention, but that you are very clear about and happy with, your religious views, and do not wish for, or need, any input from her. You have returned the book, as you will any subsequent material she may send, as you understand there may well be people somewhere who ARE interested.

Maybe what they really want is for someone to talk some sense into them. Think about it-- They're the ones who want to have the conversation. They're like naughty children in need of guidance. Do you really think they want to save your soul? Actions speak much louder.

echi wrote:

Maybe what they really want is for someone to talk some sense into them. Think about it-- They're the ones who want to have the conversation. They're like naughty children in need of guidance. Do you really think they want to save your soul? Actions speak much louder.

Huh? You think we do it to control a conversation?

Good grief, Echi. When you were a Christian is that what you did? I care about people. I don't want to see anyone go to hell. That is why I tell others about Jesus.

Oh you said they're the ones that want to have the conversation. Guess I misunderstood. Seek the guidance of a non-believer? Why would we do that? Not trying to be offensive, but seriously, why?

I can understand where you were coming from if you were young.

Oh you said they're the ones that want to have the conversation. Guess I misunderstood. Seek the guidance of a non-believer? Why would we do that? Not trying to be offensive, but seriously, why?

I can understand where you were coming from if you were young.

AM, with all due respect, it does tend to be offensive if someone thinks they know whats best for someone else. "Saving" them. Best intentions can have ugly consequences....they might indeed not be a help at all, but rather perceived as selfish and arrogant.

Born agains are not the only ones (and of course not all of them do it either). Whole countries sometimes see themselves as the 'shining beacon on the hill' and shove their version of democracy onto others....because they 'know better'.

dagmaraka wrote:

AM, with all due respect, it does tend to be offensive if someone thinks they know whats best for someone else. "Saving" them. Best intentions can have ugly consequences....they might indeed not be a help at all, but rather perceived as selfish and arrogant.

Born agains are not the only ones (and of course not all of them do it either). Whole countries sometimes see themselves as the 'shining beacon on the hill' and shove their version of democracy onto others....because they 'know better'.

REALLY???!!!