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McCain's character

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:12 am
Foxfyre wrote:
He had less name recognition a month ago when he was trailing Obama and Clinton in the polls? Wow. His advertising campaign must be really effective. Smile


He went up in the hypothetical matchup when he became the presumptive nominee. I expect to see those numbers change again when the Democrats settle on a candidate.

McCain's biggest problem is that some of the hardcore in his party actually think that it will be better for the party if he loses so that they can field their own savior after 4 or 8 years of a Democrat in the whitehouse. If the social conservatives stay home, he loses. Obama's getting the independents and will probably get all the Democrats too. He may even steal some Republicans.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:23 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
He had less name recognition a month ago when he was trailing Obama and Clinton in the polls? Wow. His advertising campaign must be really effective. Smile


He went up in the hypothetical matchup when he became the presumptive nominee. I expect to see those numbers change again when the Democrats settle on a candidate.

McCain's biggest problem is that some of the hardcore in his party actually think that it will be better for the party if he loses so that they can field their own savior after 4 or 8 years of a Democrat in the whitehouse. If the social conservatives stay home, he loses. Obama's getting the independents and will probably get all the Democrats too. He may even steal some Republicans.


Anything is possible in politics. With Obama and McCain as the presumptive gladiators in the contest, it will depend on how the general election campaign plays out. If Obama in any way comes across as a wild eyed liberal fanatic determined to turn the Constitution and all of conservatism on its ear, most especially the courts, McCain could start looking really good to the conservative base.

If Obama doesn't, it is true the base might decide that in the long run, it is better for Obama to win and prove again the failures of liberalism and socialism to deliver on what the American people want most.

And it is possible that Obama will win on the strength of his convictions and will succeed enormously. But he is going to have to deliver something more substantive than great rhetoric to do that.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 10:35 am
Foxfyre wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
He had less name recognition a month ago when he was trailing Obama and Clinton in the polls? Wow. His advertising campaign must be really effective. Smile


He went up in the hypothetical matchup when he became the presumptive nominee. I expect to see those numbers change again when the Democrats settle on a candidate.

McCain's biggest problem is that some of the hardcore in his party actually think that it will be better for the party if he loses so that they can field their own savior after 4 or 8 years of a Democrat in the whitehouse. If the social conservatives stay home, he loses. Obama's getting the independents and will probably get all the Democrats too. He may even steal some Republicans.


Anything is possible in politics. With Obama and McCain as the presumptive gladiators in the contest, it will depend on how the general election campaign plays out. If Obama in any way comes across as a wild eyed liberal fanatic determined to turn the Constitution and all of conservatism on its ear, most especially the courts, McCain could start looking really good to the conservative base.

If Obama doesn't, it is true the base might decide that in the long run, it is better for Obama to win and prove again the failures of liberalism and socialism to deliver on what the American people want most.

And it is possible that Obama will win on the strength of his convictions and will succeed enormously. But he is going to have to deliver something more substantive than great rhetoric to do that.


You think Obama is more likely to turn the Constitution on its' ear?

From his speech thanking Chris Dodd for supporting him:

Quote:
We know it's time to time to restore our Constitution and the rule of law. This is an issue that was at the heart of Senator Dodd's candidacy, and I share his passion for restoring the balance between the security we demand and the civil liberties that we cherish. . . .

I've been proud to stand with Senator Dodd in his fight against retroactive immunity for the telecommunications industry. Secrecy and special interests must not trump accountability. We must show our citizens -- and set an example to the world -- that laws cannot be ignored when it is inconvenient. Because in America -- no one is above the law. . . .

It's time to give our intelligence and law enforcement agencies the tools they need to track down and take out terrorists, while ensuring that their actions are subject to vigorous oversight that protects our freedom. So let me be perfectly clear: I have taught the Constitution, I understand the Constitution, and I will obey the Constitution when I am President of the United States.


Conservatives didn't seem to mind when Bush has willy-nilly ignored parts of the Constitution; I certainly never heard you nor any other Republican here complain about it. What makes you think there will be a new-found interest now?

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 11:20 am
I don't accept that President Bush at any time has knowingly or intentionally ignored or violated any provision or intent of the Constitution. So the question so far as I am concerned is moot.

Liberals do tend to want much more flexibility and ability to interpret liberal concepts into the Constitution than do Conservatives. And in most cases when that has happened, Conservatives believe it has been to the detriment of the whole. Conservatives are much more likely to believe in strict constructionism and resist allowing the Judicial Branch of government to become another legislative branch.

If Obama agrees with that, he is probably our next President. If he does not--and I hope at some point he is going to have to say what he thinks about it--he could have some problems.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 12:06 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I don't accept that President Bush at any time has knowingly or intentionally ignored or violated any provision or intent of the Constitution. So the question so far as I am concerned is moot.

Liberals do tend to want much more flexibility and ability to interpret liberal concepts into the Constitution than do Conservatives. And in most cases when that has happened, Conservatives believe it has been to the detriment of the whole. Conservatives are much more likely to believe in strict constructionism and resist allowing the Judicial Branch of government to become another legislative branch.

If Obama agrees with that, he is probably our next President. If he does not--and I hope at some point he is going to have to say what he thinks about it--he could have some problems.


Bush clearly has been violating the 4th amendment since the first year of his time in office. This isn't even disputed any longer by any defender of the administration.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 29 Feb, 2008 07:36 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Bush clearly has been violating the 4th amendment since the first year of his time in office. This isn't even disputed any longer by any defender of the administration.

Cycloptichorn


Explain.
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