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Do You Like Obama?

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 10:12 am
While living in Chicago, Michelle Obama went to a public grade school ( SouthSide neighborhood school ) and a public high school ( west loop).
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 10:35 am
Re: Bear
engineer wrote:
I do think she can call upon a large number of experienced people to advise her and that is a plus, but I also think her choices of advisors are sometimes suspect. I also think that Clinton very much thinks of US politics as "us" and "them" and the "them" group is to be defeated, not persuaded.

I found the link to an article in The Atlantic that captures some of my misgivings in this direction. A quote:
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Rather than punish Solis Doyle or raise questions about her fitness to lead, Clinton chose her to manage the presidential campaign for reasons that should now be obvious: above all, Clinton prizes loyalty and discipline, and Solis Doyle demonstrated both traits, if little else. This suggests to me that for all the emphasis Clinton has placed on executive leadership in this campaign, her own approach is a lot closer to the current president's than her supporters might like to admit.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 10:37 am
In college I dated a girl whose Mom worked as the Dean's personal secretary.

This girl was hot, but not much of a student. She really had no business at the university, but she got a pass because her Mom worked there.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 10:43 am
I know a big name opthalmologist whose girl friend wanted to go to medical school...but she couldn't get in ( poor grades, low MCAT scores).

So the MD got his girlfriend into a PhD program, where at least she wasn't likely to end up killing someone due to poor medical judgement.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 15 Feb, 2008 10:45 am
And then of course, there's still Affirmative Action programs.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 05:59 am
Re: Do You Like Obama?
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I don't care much for him.

I like most of you folks though.


I wish Obama didn't hate our Constitutional gun rights. Sad
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 08:51 am
What's not to like about Barack Obama?
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 09:04 am
what the hell was that Joe? Shocked
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 09:12 am
Do I like Obama?

Yes, I like Obama. I do not support all of his positions, and I disagree with him on what I consider to be one of the most important (health care). I don't see much of a difference between Obama and the Republicans on healthcare. They both focus on simply reducing costs, which is important, but is far short of what is needed.

In addition, his followers are keeping me from voting for him.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 12:10 pm
maporsche wrote:
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In addition, his followers are keeping me from voting for him.


And they will cause him to lose in the final analysis.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 01:18 pm
Keep hope alive.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 01:19 pm
there is no hope but Mt. Hope.
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eoe
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 01:19 pm
only in your world Bear.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 01:21 pm
they know me here...
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 01:24 pm
I'm just having my little joke eoe... I would say it's an example of my well defined sense of black humour..... but then some overzealous Obama supporter would accuse me of biing a racist... :wink: (not you)
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 04:13 pm
Letter from a young, hip, cynical former Obamaniac

Dear Barack:

I know it's kind of lame to break up with you on Valentine's Day. And on the Internet to boot. But it's also kind of ironic. And that's what I need to tell you. As an ironic, contrarian, so-hip-it-hurts Gen X-er, I just can't love you anymore. I can't like you because … because, well, everyone else does. And suddenly supporting you just seems soooo last week.

Last week, my hip friends were all thronging stadiums and manning phone banks for you. Now they're all blogging against you and downing water and Tylenol like they've just done 12 Obama shooters in 20 minutes and then barfed in the cloakroom.

I know this is going to sound strange, but it's not you, Barack, it's me. Really it always was me, but now it's really, really about me. I don't know when we started to feel weird supporting you, but: My friend Hanna thinks it started with that "Yes We Can," video. I mean, last week I was totally crying watching it. Now just thinking about how choked up I got gives me the creeps. I think I felt something at the time, but even if I did, I'm pretty sure I don't want to feel it anymore. Feeling inspired is soooo early-February.

Or maybe it started when everyone began madly posting last week about how you are not the Messiah. And that got me thinking. Then, when commentators started accusing me of being a venomous drone in a "cult of personality," I just needed to get out. I mean cults are soooo 1970s. And cults of personality? So totally first century. . . .


http://www.slate.com/id/2184536/
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 06:12 pm
Barack Obama wanted you to have some cupcakes
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 07:21 pm


Oh, he dedicated a song to me. How nice.
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engineer
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 07:22 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
..... but then some overzealous Obama supporter would accuse me of biing a racist... :wink: (not you)

It seems the trend on the board for the last week or so is intense Obama hatred, not the other way around. I guess that comes with front runner status. After all, McCain is getting the treatment on the other side.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Sat 16 Feb, 2008 08:06 pm
The Problems with Obama


Under pressure to produce some facts and specifics, the Obama team is beginning to release a little on the economy, taxes, and new entitlements. But the problem is that Obama himself seems not familiar with the details, and still prefers talking only about hope and change. Wonks releasing details doesn't solve the problem. And it won't, until he, the candidate, can talk in serious fashion ex tempore about the specifics he wants to achieve.

The other problem could well be racial. His coalition initially was based on the notion that he would capture 60 percent of the black vote in a tough competition against the wife of our first honorific black president, and go on from there to cobble together a coalition with other minorities and elite whites. But his success seems to have been achieved with a slightly different calculus ?- 80-90 percent of the African-American vote, elite yuppie whites, and students and Moveon.org progressives.

The problem with that is illustrated by Hillary's last-ditch appeal to win Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania with working-class whites and Hispanics. Since the agendas and past voting records of Obama and Clinton are nearly identical, and since he is the far more inspirational candidate, she hopes to tap into a growing resentment that his appeal is boutique for whites, and based on racial solidarity among African-Americans; the former turns off the working classes and the latter other minorities as well as poor whites. I think squaring that circle is every bit as problematic as McCain pacifying the conservative base. And the Democrats would worry about a candidate coming into the convention and beyond that lost the popular primary vote in the key November states of California, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania.

With Hillary, Obama looks youthful and invigorating. But beside the scarred old veteran McCain, he will appear inexperienced and wet behind the ears. Putin's comment that Hillary didn't have a head reminds us that the problems in the world are not, pace Obama, due to misunderstanding or miscommunication, but because thugs like Ahmadinejihad, the Chinese apparatchiks, Assad, Putin, Chavez, etc. profoundly dislike the impediments the United States poses to their respective carnivorous agendas. McCain gets it, the others don't (cf. his Putin KGB quip compared to Hillary's 'duh' redundant remark that Putin didn't have a soul.)

These creepy leaders are more like beady-eyed wolves that wish to break into the global hen-house and prey on the European, African, Asian, and Latin American chickens inside ?- and so pace back and forth, eyeing the trigger finger of the farmer with the shotgun at the door. They know exactly what they want, and how to get it, and can't wait for the guardian to sit down, discuss their hunger, and invite inside them for discussions ?- and some lunch.

02/15 02:44 PM

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTI5OWYwOGEwYzc0NDE2ODA4MWMyOGRlMzAyY2M1NmQ=
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