Should slave owners be removed from the dollar bill?

Doesn't matter, he won't respond to me anyway.

My idiot-savant logic intimadates him.

See my signature line? That what happened when I asked why it's ok for Mr Atheist of the Universe why it's okay tell christians they're closed minded, but no one can ask him where his hatred of them came from.

I don't follow the rules, I break them missy. Now get off my neck. I'm tired of you standing on the neck of the white girl.

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snood wrote:

Sure. then I guess you can advocate for the removal of the Washington and Jefferson monuments. LEt me know how tha turns out fer ye.

I'm assuming that means you would not be in favor of such a thing but, is that because you disagree with the notion or, is the enormity of such a change discouraging? Something, Someone so fixed in our minds, that it's become immovable.

This question was posed to me a couple a days ago by a friend, he was undecided on the issue, which was why he discussed it with me. The question that kept him thinking was...
For all the good they've done is it canceled by the inhumanity of slavery?
If it weren't for some of these men, we would not be able to enjoy the freedoms that we're so proud of and quick to rehearse today. Also, if it were not for them, hundreds of men and women would have lived full lives with life, liberty and all those other great things mentioned in the declaration.

Are these men solely responsible for slavery? No.
However, the partaking of such a thing, brings into question
that person's understanding of the phrase..."All men created equal"

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Well, then, let's get rid of those buddhas in Afghanistan....

oh, wait.

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Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery. Should we repeal his holiday and all the streets named after him because he was not perfect?

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Green Witch wrote:

Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery. Should we repeal his holiday and all the streets named after him because he was not perfect?

You would be hard pressed to compare slavery and adultery to bolster your position. Or do you consider them one and the same?

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Green Witch wrote:

Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery. Should we repeal his holiday and all the streets named after him because he was not perfect?

According to a co-worker of mine, yes. He was a 'womanizer', and that's it.

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Are you saying Lincoln was responsible for the societal institution of slavery?

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For the purposes of reference, the following slaveowners are depicted on American currency: Washington ($1 bill); Jefferson ($2 bill); Jackson ($20 bill); and Grant* ($50 bill). Lincoln ($5 bill), Hamilton ($10 bill), and Franklin ($100 bill) did not own any slaves. The US no longer issues any bills in denominations greater than $100. Washington and Jefferson also appear on the penny and the nickel.

For what it's worth, I have long been on record as favoring the depiction of monkeys on our currency.

*Grant's wife, Julia Dent, came from a family that owned slaves in Missouri, and it appears that he acquired at least one slave when he married Dent. He was, however, by his own account a reluctant slaveowner.

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jasonrest wrote:

Green Witch wrote:
Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery. Should we repeal his holiday and all the streets named after him because he was not perfect?

You would be hard pressed to compare slavery and adultery to bolster your position. Or do you consider them one and the same?

The concept is, if not the action. You can't judge the entire life of person by their imperfections. You can't judge history by modern values.

Really Jason, in this day of African civil wars, AIDS and rising economic inequality- you only want to argue you about what was legal 200 years ago and a bunch of dead guys' faces? Find a better cause.

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I'm not entirely sanguine about certain of our founding fathers and slavery, and found visiting Monticello both an access to thoughtful architecture and disturbing in how that architecture had slave quarters. My ex wrote a screenplay about slavery, and I earned our keep while he was writing it. I'm not very interested in lectures. Tell us, Jason, what are you doing in daily life to stop exploitation all around you?

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Green Witch wrote:

jasonrest wrote:
Green Witch wrote:
Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery. Should we repeal his holiday and all the streets named after him because he was not perfect?

You would be hard pressed to compare slavery and adultery to bolster your position. Or do you consider them one and the same?

The concept is, if not the action. You can't judge the entire life of person by their imperfections. You can't judge history by modern values.

Really Jason, in this day of African civil wars, AIDS and rising economic inequality- you only want to argue you about what was legal 200 years ago and a bunch of dead guys' faces? Find a better cause.

Abstaining from inhumanity is a "modern" thing??? I don't believe that.
If you don't find the discussion interesting, I would not be offended if you left.

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[quote="Green WitchReally Jason, in this day of African civil wars, AIDS and rising economic inequality- you only want to argue you about what was legal 200 years ago and a bunch of dead guys' faces? Find a better cause.[/quote]

Because greenwitch, it's more important to discuss something over which you have absolutely no power over, as if anyone having this discussion could cause the US mint to change the faces on our currency.

It's not like you have to do something, like bring food or company to someone dying of AIDS, or doing useful aid work in Africa for those being murdered daily.

Anyway, why would us white people care about black people in Africa being mutilated and killed? I mean, everyone knows we don't need to care a thing about that.

Please, let's just continue to discuss dead white presidents on pieces of paper and how this is an extremely important issue today.

This question was posed to me a couple a days ago by a friend, he was undecided on the issue, which was why he discussed it with me. The question that kept him thinking was...
For all the good they've done is it canceled by the inhumanity of slavery?
If it weren't for some of these men, we would not be able to enjoy the freedoms that we're so proud of and quick to rehearse today. Also, if it were not for them, hundreds of men and women would have lived full lives with life, liberty and all those other great things mentioned in the declaration.

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jasonrest wrote:

Abstaining from inhumanity is a "modern" thing??? I don't believe that.
If you don't find the discussion interesting, I would not be offended if you left.

Wish granted.

Not because I find the discussion uninteresting, just a waste of energy. Maybe I'll start a thread on how we should boycott China because they used to bind the feet of women.

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I'm right behind you honey.

Can we also condemn Jews because of their dastardly practice of multilating the penises on their infant sons?

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ossobuco wrote:

I'm not entirely sanguine about certain of our founding fathers and slavery, and found visiting Monticello both an access to thoughtful architecture and disturbing in how that architecture had slave quarters. My ex wrote a screenplay about slavery, and I earned our keep while he was writing it. I'm not very interested in lectures. Tell us, Jason, what are you doing in daily life to stop exploitation all around you?

I was just wondering how many people thought "less than perfect" men should be removed from the face of American currency. As is common with forums, the topic "transmogriphies" into something else.

I'm guessing that you would not be in favor of such a thing right?

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Green Witch wrote:

jasonrest wrote:

Abstaining from inhumanity is a "modern" thing??? I don't believe that.
If you don't find the discussion interesting, I would not be offended if you left.

Wish granted.

Not because I find the discussion uninteresting, just a waste of energy. Maybe I'll start a thread on how we should boycott China because they used to bind the feet of women.

I can't PM...
I have and always will value your opinion even in disagreement.

This may not be something that most are concerned with or think is necessary to discuss but I like to ask questions, reason and respectfully disagree, if necessary. All my intentions were good. The consensus is overwhelming.

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jasonrest wrote:

ossobuco wrote:
I'm not entirely sanguine about certain of our founding fathers and slavery, and found visiting Monticello both an access to thoughtful architecture and disturbing in how that architecture had slave quarters. My ex wrote a screenplay about slavery, and I earned our keep while he was writing it. I'm not very interested in lectures. Tell us, Jason, what are you doing in daily life to stop exploitation all around you?

I was just wondering how many people thought "less than perfect" men should be removed from the face of American currency. As is common with forums, the topic "transmogriphies" into something else.

I'm guessing that you would not be in favor of such a thing right?

No, honey, none of us is perfect. We all walk the walk we have to walk, sometimes changing with the footprints.

You are right, I don't want to knock down the Washington Monument. I climbed it at some future story for me but trying at the time.

Some of the newer parts of the mall design, yes (I've a few serious opinions on that, not to be entered here.)

Transmogrifies? Who did that but you.

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Chai wrote:

I'm right behind you honey.

Can we also condemn Jews because of their dastardly practice of multilating the penises on their infant sons?

not to mention killing Jesus.

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But wait. Jason is young but feisty.

Welcome to a2k, Jason.

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Chai wrote:

I'm right behind you honey.

Can we also condemn Jews because of their dastardly practice of multilating the penises on their infant sons?

What if those infant sons liked it? Razz

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