When Will Hillary Call it Quits?

It is worse then shameless flip-flopping.

She waits until AFTER she knows the results will favor her... and then she decides to fight for them.

How she calls this "principle" with a straight face is beyond me.

I know it's worse than flip-flopping. I just couldn't think of the correct term for what she's doing. Can someone help me?

Why sure!

Shameless opportunism?

Win at all costs?

Cynical manipulation?

Thanks Soz. I like all of those. Any more?

New poll data shows Clinton fading badly nationally, but strong in Ohio and competing well in Wisconsin. A win in Wisconsin where everyone is assuming Obama is a given or even a tight race would change the dynamic yet again.

That's just it. No one should assume a damn thing about this election.

Fer sure.

My husband and I were talking about the election last night -- he was saying something about I should be pretty happy about how things are going. I said that I can just see way too many possible scenarios at this point, not all of them happy (from my point of view anyway).

What a ******* bullshit thread!

You all have succeeded in pushing a moderate left leaning independent to McCain.

Soon as she grows a jumbo set of nuts such as McCain has been captain and crew of since 1960.

She really cannot believe what is happening.

If you read the posts on the first three pages of this thread you'll see that many people voiced objection to the premise of this thread.

On that same third page you'll see exactly where this thread went off the tracks.

I think your indignation is a bit misplaced.

Misplaced or not, McCain is my man.

I'm beginning to hate Obama's supporters as much as I hate Bush's supporters. And it's not just this thread, the mentality that I dislike so much permeates across all the pro-Obama threads.

You say you hate Bush supporters right after you say McCain is your man?

You are a very funny man..

Funny as in funny farm?

That doesn't make sense. McCain's and Obama's positions on the issues are not similar. If you are leaning towards McCain, nothing his supporters could say would make you want to vote for Obama or Clinton. Likewise, I can't see how irritation at some Obama supporters could drive you to McCain if you didn't agree with his positions. Clinton maybe since their positions on many issues are similar, but I don't see how you get to McCain starting from Obama.

Like I said, I'm a moderate. I support some liberal positions and I support some conservative positions.

The main reason I would support either Obama or Clinton is health care. Clinton's plan I by far prefer over Obama's plan. The crutch of Obama's plan is to reduce costs, which McCain has also stressed a need to do (actually all democrats and republicans have). I think Obama's plan will keep us from true healthcare reform for a number of years. Maybe Clinton can beat McCain in 2012 and we can implement her plans.

I do prefer Clinton's more realistic views on military and foreign affair issues. Obama is too much of an idealist in my opinion on these important issues. McCain has pandered far to the right, but I don't believe his pandering any more than conservatives do.

If I can't get the healthcare program I would prefer, then I'll head over to McCain's side. He is a fiscal conservative (which I am as well). He is not swayed by the religious right (who I despise). He has pandered to the right on the tax cut issue, but at least he didn't support them when they were offered. He and I agree on 2nd amendment rights as well.

Aside from healthcare, our economy and deficit spending are the main issues I'm worried about.

I could have been swayed to Obama, but the chances of that are very small right now.

Bush's supporters are NOT McCain supporters. Haven't you been paying attention?

I'm waiting for the day you contribute ANYTHING to a thread snood.

No, ah... I think what he may have been referencing was the fact that McCain is a big advocate of Bush's. Or at least his biggest policy points - the war, the tax cuts...

And like conservatives, I can see through that pandering.

His pandering make the far right NOT want to vote for him because they don't believe him on these issues.

His pandering makes the middle-left want to vote for him because they don't believe him on these issues.