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Tall Ships are coming

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2008 08:15 pm
yes , george , the other two sailships were the GORCH FOCK (she went to the soviet-union) and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Leo_Schlageter_(sailing_ship) (she went to portugal) .

sorry , couldn't get the URL to work - just click on the address

it's amazing that after 70 years they are still sailing .
all three ships were built in HAMBURG :wink: - perhaps that's why they standing up so well .
hbg
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margo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2008 09:22 pm
Good pics!
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jul, 2008 10:55 pm
hamburger wrote:
yes , george , the other two sailships were the GORCH FOCK (she went to the soviet-union) and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Leo_Schlageter_(sailing_ship) (she went to portugal) .

sorry , couldn't get the URL to work - just click on the address

it's amazing that after 70 years they are still sailing .
all three ships were built in HAMBURG :wink: - perhaps that's why they standing up so well .
hbg


I recall it now. I even spent a couple of days at sea on the Portuguese vessel in the mid 1980s when it visited San Francisco. It was a reciprocal visit after the Portuguese captain spent a couple of days as my guest. 70 years isn't particularly old for a ship, if you take good care of it. We make our carriers last over 50 years, and they take a real beating during operations with cat shots & arrested landings in the thousands and constant maneuvering. Perhaps as a legacy of Felix Von Luckner ( a famous WWI sea raider) Germany maintained a tradition of building modern steel versions of late 19th century sailing ship designs well into the 20th century. This was also likely a traditional element of the Baltic culture of which Hamburg was, of course, a principal part.
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TTH
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 09:57 am
hamburger wrote:
btw the USCGC EAGLE is the former german navy training ship HORST WESSEL built in germany in 1936 . she was seized by the united states after WW II .
You are correct hamburger. There was a gentleman down on the waterfront sitting under a tent by the Eagle. He is German and was part of the crew of that ship when it was seized by the USA. He is 92 years old and I could only see him from the side, but he was just sitting there looking at her. I can only imagine what he was thinking. It must have brought back many memories for him.

Here are some of the aircraft that put on a show:
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2694/c171ml4.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3249/c172pu4.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3056/sidebysidept0.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/451/sidebyside1vv5.jpg
http://www.freedomfair.com/events/eventsairshow.html
^ that is the link to the website that has the different aircraft listed.

Glad you are enjoying the pictures. I have over 1,000 to look at. They all seem to be a blur to me right now.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:39 am
george wrote :

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This was also likely a traditional element of the Baltic culture of which Hamburg was, of course, a principal part.


hamburg and its port are actually on the north-sea . the port is located on the elbe river- about 60 miles / 100 km upstream from the heligoland bight .
it is being maintained as deepwater port and allows most modern superships - including the QUEEN MARY 2 - access .
its inland trade connections are however very much oriented towards the baltic , and also towards russia and other eastern european nations .
hbg

the QUEEN MARY 2 usually sails into the port of hamburg twice during the summer months' and is always given a reception like a true queen .
we are still planning to make the crossing from new york to hamburg some day - perhaps even next year .
its a pretty tight squeeze to turn the ship around in the narrow ship channel - but it has so far always been accomplished without incident -
they just have to do it during high tide .

http://www.foto-hamburg.com/queen-mary.jpg
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:42 am
I was thinking in historical terms. Hamburg was a principal component of the Hanseatic league of medieval North Sea and Baltic trading states.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:03 pm
george wrote :

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I was thinking in historical terms. Hamburg was a principal component of the Hanseatic league of medieval North Sea and Baltic trading states.


i understand what you mean , but the hamburg merchants always considered themselves to be more english than anything else - they certainly were not fond of prussia at all .

an old joke said :
"when it rains in london the people of hamburg open their umbrellas " .

even during WW II most of the signage around the harbour was bilingual : german and english - and it's still the same .
hbg
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TTH
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 03:49 pm
A couple more pictures to look at Very Happy

sunset
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9177/eveninghl9.jpg

dragon boats
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3982/dragonboatml2.jpg
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TTH
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 04:03 pm
TTH wrote:
Here are a few more pictures from a boat in the waterway.

This is the Bounty
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/6379/bountyoq8.jpg

The HMS Bounty was built in 1960 just for the movie Mutiny on the Bounty. She has been used in many documentaries and films which include:
Treasure Island
Pirates of the Carribean- Dead Man's Chest
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1JApGKsIVdM
^ just for entertainment purposes Very Happy

She has a whopping 10,000 square feet of hand sewn sail on her Shocked
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TTH
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 06:04 am
TTH wrote:
Due to Homeland Security, all vessels must stay at least 50 yards away from the tall ships when they are under sail.
Need to correct my wording in that sentence. Under sail should have been "under way".
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TTH
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 06:15 am
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5963/91861273uw0.jpg
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TTH
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 09:04 am
On Sunday, it was either the F/A-18 Super Hornet or the F-16 Fighting Falcon
that was leaving since they are not stationed here.

The pilot did a low speed fly by over the bridge and we were all waving at him. He tipped his wings for a few seconds, then straightened out, and kicked in those after burners and he was outta there headed west. I wished him a happy and safe flight back to his base Very Happy
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TTH
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jul, 2008 09:34 am
Boats at night and yes we kept track of who was where (tall ships & escorts) Very Happy
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/921/nightvg1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q6TVaFNv0g&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnV1GGj-0fE&feature=related
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TTH
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 06:34 am
Have to thank this guy for working so many hours Very Happy
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5027/meanddogqe1.jpg

Love our flag Very Happy
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5649/flagek4.jpg
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:35 am
TTH wrote:
On Sunday, it was either the F/A-18 Super Hornet or the F-16 Fighting Falcon
that was leaving since they are not stationed here.

The pilot did a low speed fly by over the bridge and we were all waving at him. He tipped his wings for a few seconds, then straightened out, and kicked in those after burners and he was outta there headed west. I wished him a happy and safe flight back to his base Very Happy


Your earlier photos suggest it was largely a Navy airshow - here I'm referring to the photo of the F-18 flying wing on the AD (or "spad" as we called this fairly old design propeller attack aircraft that remained in service until 1970).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 08:46 am
hamburger wrote:
george wrote :

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I was thinking in historical terms. Hamburg was a principal component of the Hanseatic league of medieval North Sea and Baltic trading states.


i understand what you mean , but the hamburg merchants always considered themselves to be more english than anything else - they certainly were not fond of prussia at all .


That's (= hamburger's response) certainly true .... but not for (really) for the Hanseatic era:

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[...] Still, Lübeck's role and that of the other Hanseatic towns became much more confined to the Baltic itself as, with the rise of the Atlantic system, trading routes moved to the west to the benefit of Antwerp, Amsterdam and London. From 1600 on, Hanseatic seaborne trade was mostly limited to short hauls between the Scandinavian and the southern Baltic ports, with only sporadic long-distance voyages to the Mediterranean or across the oceans. This led to the remarkable situation that one of Europe's largest fleets was cut off from Europe's newly emerging maritime flows. Only Hamburg escaped this fate, by ceasing its resistance to the English merchant adventurers and allowing a massive influx of Protestant immigrants from Antwerp and of converted Portuguese Jews, who had escaped the claws of the Inquisition. Thanks to the immigrants' world-encompassing networks, the Elbe harbour rapidly replaced Lübeck as the largest maritime centre on the Baltic shores. The transfer of former Hanseatic business into foreign and, progressively, Dutch hands marked the final stage of the prolonged demise of the League. The final blow came in 1648, when Sweden occupied the Pomerian and northern German shores. With the Wend cities of Stettin, Stralsund and Wismar becoming Swedish, and Hamburg, Bremen and Lübeck forced into benevolent neutrality, the days of the League were numbered. In 1669, the last general Hanseatic meeting assembled in Lübeck in order to confirm the League's status as a quasi impotent power in the Baltic.
Source
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 09:16 am
Wonders never cease! Walter is coming to my aid in a dispute with hamburger.

It is good when we can get these Germans to fight among themselves. Smile :wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jul, 2008 10:37 am
georgeob1 wrote:
Wonders never cease! Walter is coming to my aid in a dispute with hamburger.


Well, the Hanseatic League had been one of my foci when studying history ...
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 12:48 am
There'll be a lot of tall ships in Liverpool next weekend.
We're going over on Friday.

http://www.tallshipsliverpool.co.uk/
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TTH
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 09:04 am
Wow!!
I like the Class A ships
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