Wilso wrote:sozobe wrote:It sounds like there is a possibility that it was just plain an accidental overdose, and not even in terms of recreational drug use or whatever. I saw somewhere that he hadn't been sleeping well (like, 2 hours a night), and that he had Ambien and some other stuff.
I have no idea at this point, though.
There's no such thing as an "accidental" overdose. No decent physician, (and I'm expecting that a man of his wealth had a decent physician) is going to prescribe drugs in an amount that will kill someone. So that leaves a deliberate overdose for suicide, or a deliberate overdose to get high. And the movie industry has already started the canonization. All these tributes flowing, as though he's some sort of hero. "Exceptional person"? No. Either a selfish a$$hole, or a stupid a$$hole, but an a$$hole all the same.
Or maybe he didn't have a decent physician.
As someone else said, I think Farmerman, there can be synergistic action between a given drug and alcohol. Thinking... Dorothy Kilgallen(?).
Wilso wrote:There's no such thing as an "accidental" overdose. No decent physician, (and I'm expecting that a man of his wealth had a decent physician) is going to prescribe drugs in an amount that will kill someone.
It happens every day. Doctors don't write prescriptions for one day's worth of medication at a time.
There's enough medication in many prescriptions to kill people if they're not used in the correct way. Whether someone deliberately uses too much of something, or uses the wrong amount at the wrong time, or there is an interaction with another medication - there are any number of ways that the right medication from a good doctor can kill someone.
My experience is that doctors have little cross referencing in any kind of computer system to pick up on drug comparison to avoid a synergy. If, for instance, one is able to get one from a free clinic, it seldom shows up in the physicians internet database. Going to different pharmacists also gets them mixed up. Anyone who is able to locate and deal with a street drug dealer is more than adept at getting presciptions. They doctor has to trust you, and this could have been tricky for the actor if any of the doctors reads tabloids. Doctors will offer drugs if one is convincing them that they are recovering from alcohol abuse, mostly Wellburtin to keep up the dopamine levels in the blood (and brain) and Adivan or Lorazepam for the anxiety. Unfortunately, the mood elevators can get some people manic and subject to really serious panic attacks (which often feels like a heart attack, especially if the stomach is upset and there is acid reflux problems).
The pharmacies, especially the chain pharmacies, have a computer check of interaction and flags the drugs in question. But if you get familiar with the pharmicist were you always pick up the meds, they don't check as closely as they should.
One bottle of even 20 left out of 30 10mg of Ambien, espcially used with alcohol or another downer, can most certainly stop you heart depending on your health. Almost any controlled substance prescription in a thirty day supply is enough to kill you.
Mixing Soloft, Valium and Ambien is a cocktail of the devil.
It's on every prescriptions in the initial never to take more than the amount shown in the time frame prescribed unless the physicians recommends it.
Wilso wrote:sozobe wrote:It sounds like there is a possibility that it was just plain an accidental overdose, and not even in terms of recreational drug use or whatever. I saw somewhere that he hadn't been sleeping well (like, 2 hours a night), and that he had Ambien and some other stuff.
I have no idea at this point, though.
There's no such thing as an "accidental" overdose. No decent physician, (and I'm expecting that a man of his wealth had a decent physician) is going to prescribe drugs in an amount that will kill someone. So that leaves a deliberate overdose for suicide, or a deliberate overdose to get high. And the movie industry has already started the canonization. All these tributes flowing, as though he's some sort of hero. "Exceptional person"? No. Either a selfish a$$hole, or a stupid a$$hole, but an a$$hole all the same.
So he didn't reply to your love letters, is what you're saying? You were spurned? Hence the vitriol?
Loud and clear!
Wilso wrote:... And the movie industry has already started the canonization. All these tributes flowing, as though he's some sort of hero. "Exceptional person"? No. Either a selfish a$$hole, or a stupid a$$hole, but an a$$hole all the same.
For god's sake, get a grip, Wilso.
Gilliam never made a bad movie but he's made just average Gilliam movies.
I could have seen Ledger in "12 Monkeys" in the Brad Pitt role and been just as satisfied.
Ledger's final scenes in "Brokeback Mountain" is the stuff of movie history -- all the genuine emotion from an actor who was playing a character perhaps not completely alien from his own life. Ennis might just outlive Heath.
Introverted and secretive -- not what you might be thinking. I never considered that but Jack Nicholson stated he was fighting demons. That film could bring the genie out of the bottle. At least I'd rather think of it as a genie rather than a demon.
Wilso wrote:
There's no such thing as an "accidental" overdose.
That's a ridiculous statement. A few years back my sane, happy father underwent some medical treatment that required he take three kinds of medication. He was also on a standard sleeping pill that sometimes made him a little disoriented when he first woke up. One morning he accidentally took one of the medications twice thinking he was taking the three different pills. He started to have serious heart palpitations and end up in the hospital.
People who take drugs on regular basis often lose count and make mistakes without meaning to. I also don't think every who has ever died from a heroin overdose was thinking "this is the last one for me".
farmerman wrote:I have no respect for anyone who attempts (or succeeds at) at suicide. Its the highest form of narssicism . The only justifiable reasons are deep despair due to organic medical conditions or opting out of unteneable political situations. If Mr Ledger did not commit suicide, my apologies. I would then shift my feelings to one of "tsking" at his risky behavior.
Boy, you're hostile.
Why don't you use some of your vitriol to feel sad about the 28 yr. olds who die in Iraq? Or is a young man/woman enlisting in the war a form of suicide too? therefore, distasteful in your high and mighty opinion.
So the latest is Ambien & Zopiclone (sleeping pills) Zoloft (ant-depressant) Xanax, Valium (anti-anxiety) and Donormyl (anti-histamine)
and the guy had pneumonia. Recipe for disaster. Really sad for his little girl.
Just abruptly stopping the Zoloft and taking even one of each of those downers is a recipe for disaster.
This has to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty of premeditated suicide until proven it was not. Of course, accidental overdoses are not intangible and not recognizing the synergy of mixing drugs is not at all uncommon. It's not always fatal if someone responds in time and medical care gets to the person in time.
Both Zoloft and Xanax have serious withdrawal effects.
Is Xanax a prescription only durg? I've only ever heard of it mentioned in American telly or films. What is the UK equivalent?
It's in the same family as Valium:
Generic Name: alprazolam
Brand Names: Niravam, Xanax, Xanax XR
It's not uncommon to prescribe these anti-anxiety drugs with any mood elevator drug as a side-effect to nearly all of them is agitation and sleeplessness (!). Panic attacks are rare with all of the mood elevators depending on one's physiology, including all brain chemical imbalances.
This combination with the sleeping pills is taking an upper to be up and "happy" and then taking a downer to calm down when one over-reacts.
I've always been against General Practitioners, Internal Medicine and all other MD's who are not psychiatrist dispensing these drugs like candy. Prozac and Paxil are now the two most prescribed drugs in the US. Wellbutrin or Budeprion (generic) is a better choice for, but not only, long term withdrawal from alcohol abuse, or any drug that boosts dopamine levels, such as crystal meth. It is far less troublesome and MD's should be able to prescribe it.
Okay, the site spam filter wiped that out so do a Google search for Xanax and it will bring up drugs.com at the top.
Lightwizard wrote:It's in the same family as Valium:
Generic Name: AUTO SPAM FILTER
That's a pretty dumb name for a drug. I'd fire everyone in the marketing department that came up with that one.
I'll try to past the generic name again:
Generic:alprazolam
Won't work -- you will have to Google Xanax as directed and get the generic name. Don't ask me why the filter hit the generic name and not Xanax(????)
