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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 09:11 am
sozobe wrote:
The part that annoys me most -- and I don't know if it is to Clinton's credit, or if it's Obama's problem, or if it happened independent of either of their attempts to shape the narrative -- is that Ohio and Texas were picked to be the Clinton firewall because they were so friendly towards her. She was long supposed to not only win but win big. If Obama steals Texas and/ or comes close in either one (OH, TX), that already represents a huge leap from where things were supposed to be.

But the leap was looking very promising late last week or so, so things started going even further than that -- wow, he might win BOTH of them!! How amazing would that be!

I think that got a bit out of hand, and that expectations are too high now. It should be amazing enough if he just stays close in OH and TX. Now a loss will be seen as a Problem.

That is a credit to Clinton. She said earlier this week that being outspent 3-1 meant that Obama would be in trouble if he didn't take all four states. I had to roll my eyes, but the press reported it. The Clinton camp has routinely painted themselves as underdogs and that cheered their performance as beatinig expectations. It's not a bad strategy.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 10:03 am
Just think, since the Dems have taken control of congress, we are winning in Iraq.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 10:04 am
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/did_i_say_osama_i_meant_obama.html

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/401/political-smears.html
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 10:56 am
Gah... we are just not going to get closure tonight.

Quote:


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/04/flooding-prompts-ohio-to-extend-primary-voting-in-one-county/
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 01:37 pm
Stopped raining.

It's cold, it's damp, it's unpleasant... but it's not raining.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:19 pm
sozobe wrote:
Stopped raining.

It's cold, it's damp, it's unpleasant... but it's not raining.


Are they still going to extend voting?

I have a very positive feeling about tonight!!!

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:21 pm
What's going on in Ohio?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Ohio_official_rejects_Obama_pollwatcher_letter.html

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March 04, 2008
Read More: Barack Obama

Ohio official rejects Obama poll-watcher letter


An official in the office of the Ohio Secretary of State has written local election officials instructing them not to accept an Obama campaign letter (.pdf) as sufficient documentation for poll-watchers to polling places.

The state's rules require a formal certification process for poll monitors. The Obama campaign, however, has distributed a letter signed by its state director, Paul Tewes, which states that the letter's bearer is "hereby authorized to serve as a legal poll monitor."

Deputy Assistant Secretary of State David Farrell wrote that Obama supporters have been presenting the letter to officials at polling sites, and attached the letter to his email, which appears to have been sent to election officials around the state.

"Our office's legal interpretation is that this letter is not legally sufficient on its own to allow someone to gain access to polling places," Farrell writes. "To be allowed access to a polling location an observer must be duly appointed as an official observer and have an official observer certificate.... Someone who wants to observe may present the attached letter in addition to the official observer certificate, but they must have the official observer certificate to legally gain entry."

Full email after the jump.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:31 pm
I read about that -- dunno. Seems like it could be the Obama campaign's fault. I don't really get it yet.

It just stopped raining here, Cycloptichorn, and I think the weather is still bad elsewhere.

I DON'T have a very positive feeling about tonight. I'm very, very gloomy in fact. Heh.

I'm a little worried that everything is breaking in the same direction -- towards Clinton -- and that it's going to be worse than we expect.

I dunno though.

Voted.

Voted!

After all this, I finally get to do the one thing that definite has a bearing on the results -- get to DO something.

No lines, not many people. I chose a time where there were likely to be fewer people, though. I might drive by the polling place later, see what it looks like.

Voting itself went super-smoothly though.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:35 pm
sozobe wrote:
I read about that -- dunno. Seems like it could be the Obama campaign's fault. I don't really get it yet.

It just stopped raining here, Cycloptichorn, and I think the weather is still bad elsewhere.

I DON'T have a very positive feeling about tonight. I'm very, very gloomy in fact. Heh.

I'm a little worried that everything is breaking in the same direction -- towards Clinton -- and that it's going to be worse than we expect.

I dunno though.

Voted.

Voted!

After all this, I finally get to do the one thing that definite has a bearing on the results -- get to DO something.

No lines, not many people. I chose a time where there were likely to be fewer people, though. I might drive by the polling place later, see what it looks like.

Voting itself went super-smoothly though.


Look at it this way: the WORST that will happen is Clinton winning TX and OH and catching up about 20 delegates. That's the absolute worst. Obama will still have a large lead.

So to me, even the bad situations aren't all that bad. Super Tuesday was way, way more stressful then this. Now, I know, Obama needs to seal the deal and put Clinton away for good; can't let the higher-rank team hang in there or they will find a way to come back. A win in TX or OH tonight would go a long way towards making that happen, and I bet we see one of those happening.

Cycloptichorn
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:40 pm
True. Thanks for the perspective.

I guess what I'm worried about is that Hillary will win bigger than we've been thinking in Ohio -- by 10-15 pts, say -- and that she'll win the popular vote in TX, and that the resulting media narrative will muddle things up. (Even if the delegate lead isn't shrunk by much and even if Obama eventually wins the TX caucuses.) I so want this to get wrapped up -- for Obama to emerge as the nominee and go from there.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 02:59 pm
sozobe wrote:
True. Thanks for the perspective.

I guess what I'm worried about is that Hillary will win bigger than we've been thinking in Ohio -- by 10-15 pts, say -- and that she'll win the popular vote in TX, and that the resulting media narrative will muddle things up. (Even if the delegate lead isn't shrunk by much and even if Obama eventually wins the TX caucuses.) I so want this to get wrapped up -- for Obama to emerge as the nominee and go from there.
Clinton by 10-15 in Ohio sounds pretty realistic to me, sorry to say... and Texas will be tight. Vermont will be a landslide, but so will Rhode Island. I don't see Obama coming out a winner, on this, saddest of all days.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 03:07 pm
Some possible good news from Texas, anyway:

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An Obama campaign source, meanwhile, said internal tracking at voting locations in Texas through midday shows strong turnout, especially in African-American precincts.

The source said turnout is lower than projected in heavily Latino precincts and slightly higher than expected in areas heavy with students. Austin and Dallas are reportedly seeing some of the state's strongest turnout.

Speaking from the aisle of his campaign plane, Obama tried to lower expectations and looked toward nominating contests that come within the next week.


Grains of salt and all that...

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama_says_he_will_campaign_as.html
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 03:11 pm
I'm looking forward to the "Hammer" dropping tommorrow when we hear who the new 50 super delegates are. If Richardson is one of them, I wonder if he'll stall for more time if it looks like Hillary wins one or more states but is still behind in delegate count.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 03:21 pm
sozobe wrote:
Gah... we are just not going to get closure tonight.

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Hrmngr.

Then again, if it is in Eastern Ohio, near the PA border, that's Hillary country no? So you could say that any fewer votes from there appearing right away in the tallies on TV tonight offers Obama a perception advantage, making the gap by which - I assume - he loses look smaller.

OK, lemme look this up.

Allright, here's that great map I've now been looking for for half an hour. I remember it was posted here already, but couldnt find it back no matter what keywords I punched in - not on A2K, not in my history or bookmarks. Anyhow, there it is. Part of a great analysis too. (DIdnt Butrflynet post it?)

So, Jefferson County is in CD-6 - which is Strickland's old district. Expected to be a strong Hillary district. But on the other hand, Jefferson county looks small - just one out of twelve counties in that CD, and the whole CD is worth no more than 5 delegates. So probably wont make much of a difference either way.

(Though 5 = uneven number, which means that even if the race is very close, the winner will take that 5th delegate. In a district with an even number of delegates a candidate needs a blowout to get more than half of the delegates, considering there's rarely more than 6 in a district.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2008 03:44 pm
Just went to the grocery store (clouds opened while I was out but now it's back to light drizzle) and saw this front-page headline -- haven't read it yet but looks like things could be messy:

Quote:
OHIO PRIMARY
State of confusion

A projected record turnout Tuesday and voters' option to use paper ballots rather than touch-screens could delay results deep into the night and deepen mistrust of Ohio elections around the country.


Columbus Dispatch
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2008 03:51 pm
I've been skeptical of the "Hillary campaign makes Obama look blacker" thing I've been seeing for the past couple of days, but this doesn't look too good:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/5/131156/5021/187/469677
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:51 pm
Good analysis of what went right and what went wrong in both camps:

http://208.122.14.138/thefield/?p=838
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 12:34 pm
A good read from salon. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/06/commander_in_chief/

I'd like to see the Obama campaign use some of these concepts in an ad for him. The idea that he's a "steady eddie" I think would be a good answer to Hillary's 3 am ad.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2008 05:54 pm
sozobe wrote:
I've been skeptical of the "Hillary campaign makes Obama look blacker" thing I've been seeing for the past couple of days, but this doesn't look too good:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/5/131156/5021/187/469677
Sad Her people probably figured it would reflect a little badly on her, but at the end of the day; he's still black, and they succeeded at making people talk about it. The word "scumbag" is getting ever closer to the tip of my tongue. I wonder what Blatham thinks about thisÂ…
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Mar, 2008 07:33 am
That was a good read, FreeDuck, thanks.

Chicago Tribune, "Clinton's experience claim under scrutiny":

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-experiencemar07,0,51719.story?page=1

Good examination of her claims to foreign policy experience.
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