The greatest irony...

And I do not hate christianity.
I do feel it's strange that we cannot call a fool a fool, because it hurts his pride.

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There you go again...changing the tact when you are called on something.

I learned that from christians...

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Cyracuz wrote:

And I do not hate christianity.
I do feel it's strange that we cannot call a fool a fool, because it hurts his pride.

If you were qualified to do so, I might take this seriously.

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That made about as much sense as I expect from you :wink:

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Since your childish nature is showing, I find that it is in the best interest of the thread that I no longer respond to you since you are intent on keeping the schoolyard banter going.

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But you found it in the best interest of something to make me aware of that my childish nature is showing...
But by all means, stop responding. The very end I aim towards Smile

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Krishnamurti: Sir, what is religion? Actually, what is religion? First of all to find out what is religion we must negate what it is not. Belief is not religion, and the authority which the churches, the organized religions assume, is not religion. In that there is all the sense of obedience, conformity, acceptance, the hierarchical approach to life. The division between the Protestant, the Catholic, the Hindu, the Moslem, that's not religion. When you negate all that, which means you are no longer a Hindu, no longer a Catholic, no longer belonging to any sectarian outlook, then your mind questions, asks what is true religion? This is free from their ritual, without their masters, without their Saviour; all that is not religion. When the mind discards that, intelligently, because it has seen that it's not religion, then it can ask what is religion. Religion is not what I think, but religion is the sense of comprehension of the totality of existence, in which there is no division between you and me. Then if there is that quality of goodness which is virtue, real virtue not the phony virtue of society, but real virtue, then the mind can go beyond and find out, through meditation, through a deep, quiet silence, if there is such a thing as reality. Therefore a religious mind is a mind that is constantly aware, sensitive, attentive, so that it goes beyond itself into a dimension where there is no time at all.

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Thank you for posting that fresco.
It's ironic that the truly religious people of today are those that claim to hold to no religion...

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Lash wrote:

snood wrote:
I didn't smell nuthin

Personal aroma may be the culprit.

...love you too, Lash.

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<kisses snooder>

:wink:

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Cyracuz wrote:

Arella

We will never agree, because you suspend reason.

And we are far apart in our thinking. I think, you don't. You just feel your way through it. Hence terms like "I know that I know that I know that it is NOT founded on a lie". Because it feels right? You certainly provide no reasonable considerations.

Cyracuz, if you've read AM's posts for the last couple of years, you'll find this is really the only argument she has.

No matter what the question is, or what is said, she falls back on the "I know that's it's right because it's right and that's the only way I can say it" tactic.

I decided not to pull my hair out over it any longer.

Overall, what I find strange is that some think you are anti-God....all you're attempting to do is use logic and be reasonable.

I have a belief system. Not based on the bible, or Jesus, or any other text.

It includes a Creator, evolution, quantum physics et al.

Someone may find some lack of logic in my beliefs, but they will find a lot more sound thinking and logic.

I never have been able to understand where some people think a people in God automatically cancels out a belief in science.

oh well....

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Science is a fact that cannot be discarded. It can, in my opinion, co-exist with a believe in God.

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Chai
There's a big difference between you and AM. You sound sane... :wink:

Intrepid
Science can indeed co-exist with a belief in god, but not if the belief in god is of such a nature that it negates acceptance of the findings of science, as is the case with Arella, as she's said herself.

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Now wait just a minute Cyracuz. I never said I don't find science completely invalid. I would definitely be an idiot if I didn't believe in science as something valid. What I said was (paraphrased) was that I would choose the Word of God over what any man says.

I am sorry that it bothers so many of you that I don't require the proof that you do. I just don't. I don't know why I don't require it but I don't.

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Arella

You said earlier that wether or not you'd accept science would depend on what science brought forth. That you'd rather put your trust in god than in science, which is something man-made.

What that means is that you accept science and common sense as long as it doesn't contradict your religion.

I'm the other way around. I accept religion as long as it doesn't contradict science and common sense.

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Thanx Mods for removing my extra posts!

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Cyracuz wrote:

Chai
There's a big difference between you and AM. You sound sane... :wink:

That's because I posses both gaydar AND a pimp hand.

Seriously, for me, it's about energy. Were did it originate? Can't be destroyed. It's eternal.

I muse on the idea that energy somehow, in some dimension, at some speed, in regards to some perhaps undiscovered property, has a consciousness. That consciousness set the ball rolling.

As part of this energy, this consciousness is aware of its "creation" as a whole, and perhaps us as individuals.

Each of us will always be energy, and thus dwells within whatever started it all.

It doesn't make sense that this "Energy/Creator" bothers itself often, it at all with the minutiae in our speck of a galaxy. Especially with keeping an eye out that we adhere to non-sensical items listed in a book. A book written by men that did not have the ability to investigate the world, let alone outside of it.

The bible is at best an allegory folks.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Freedom of religion is a confused term

Only if one is already confused. Most of us understand what it means.

You get to believe and practice your faith.

I get to believe and practice mine.

Cyracuz wrote:

I am all for the freedom of spiritual fulfillment. Organized religion stands as a bar against that.

Are you at least in favor of letting others have freedom of unorganized religion? Rolling Eyes

Do you ever get together with others who may share common beliefs with yourself to discuss and learn from each other?

How does that differ from an organized religion?

Is it ok as long as there is only a few of you?

Have you ever gone to a large meeting to hear a speaker address spiritual topics which agree with your understanding of the term?

How does that differ from an organized religion?

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Chai wrote:

Seriously, for me, it's about energy. Were did it originate? Can't be destroyed. It's eternal.

If matter/energy has existed since eternity past, why hasn't entropy taken the expected toll?

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real life wrote:

Chai wrote:

Seriously, for me, it's about energy. Were did it originate? Can't be destroyed. It's eternal.

If matter/energy has existed since eternity past, why hasn't entropy taken the expected toll?

And what would the expected toll be real life?

The science of thermodynamics is founded on two principles, both of which involve the concept of energy. The first principle asserts that energy is conserved, i.e., energy can neither be created nor destroyed. The second principle asserts that the overall distribution of energy tends to become more uniform, never less uniform. These two principles are called the first and second laws of thermodynamics. Laws # 1 and 2

While the entropy in the universe is continuously increasing, the energy of the universe is constant.

Energy does not disappear real life, just changes.

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