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CIGNA HealthCare Murders Teenage Girl

 
 
Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 02:59 pm
The family of a California teenager who died awaiting a liver transplant say they will sue the insurer who they blame for their daughter's death.

Nataline Sarkisyan, a 17-year-old from Glendale, Calif., died Thursday just a few hours after her insurer, CIGNA HealthCare, approved a procedure it had previously described as "too experimental."

Attorney Mark Geragos said that CIGNA "maliciously killed her" and that he hopes to press murder or manslaughter charges against CIGNA HealthCare for the death of Sarkisyan.

"They took my daughter away from me," said Nataline's father, Krikor, who appeared at a news conference with his 21-year-old son, Bedros.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/story?id=4038257&page=1

The part that really sucks about all this is that we can't put the actual people who made these decisions in jail. No, they'll go on as if nothing happened, while the company pays the family off and then goes on as if nothing happened. Meanwhile, the girl's family will never see their daughter again.

How ironic it is that our healthcare system is now getting into the business of killing people.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 03:06 pm
I just saw Sicko last night. Were like peasants. They are probably laughing at us on private jets.
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 03:16 pm
Sad, but true. Everyone should see Sicko (and you know historically; I'm no fan of Michael Moore Idea ).
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 03:17 pm
Re: CIGNA HealthCare Murders Teenage Girl
kickycan wrote:

The part that really sucks about all this is that we can't put the actual people who made these decisions in jail.


It would help, at least from a legal perspective, if the hyperbolic charge of "murder" is not so fecklessly bandied about by their attorney.

Whatever you feel about the case it's simply not murder and if they want legal redress it helps not to be legally retarded.

He should be talking about criminally negligent homicide, and if they don't make the bastards pay, it may well end up being as much the fault of the idiot attorney as the system.
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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 21 Dec, 2007 05:47 pm
Reminds me of an old Law and Order episode.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 01:33 pm
They should be charged with murder, or something like it, and convicted. John Edwards hit it dead on when he said that we should take their power away from them so that we don't have problems like this in the future.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 05:07 pm
Brandon9000, I have been hearing more and more things I like about Edwards. I hear he has made a career out of beating corporations in court.

But all I hear on TV is "Hillary, Obama, Hillary, Obama!"
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 08:44 am
The authorities should investigate the process by which this occurred inside Cigna, and everyone along the chain of cause and effect should be arrested and charged, no matter how many people that is. Something very extreme has to happen to disrupt the present system and send a message to congress that they need to get busy. Otherwise, people will eventually lose interest, and health insurers will continue to feel secure in murdering and injuring their clients. I believe that if this ever gets in front of a jury, these murderers won't have much of a chance. I think that a normal juror would feel sympathy towards the family and anger towards the insurance company.

In a similar recent case, an epoxy supplier called Powers Fasteners paid a family 6 million dollars and was indicted on manslaughter charges when a Boston street tunnel collapsed on a car and killed a woman.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 09:55 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
The authorities should investigate the process by which this occurred inside Cigna, and everyone along the chain of cause and effect should be arrested and charged, no matter how many people that is. Something very extreme has to happen to disrupt the present system and send a message to congress that they need to get busy. Otherwise, people will eventually lose interest, and health insurers will continue to feel secure in murdering and injuring their clients. I believe that if this ever gets in front of a jury, these murderers won't have much of a chance. I think that a normal juror would feel sympathy towards the family and anger towards the insurance company.

In a similar recent case, an epoxy supplier called Powers Fasteners paid a family 6 million dollars and was indicted on manslaughter charges when a Boston street tunnel collapsed on a car and killed a woman.


How in the world is this a SIMILAR case?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:00 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
They should be charged with murder, or something like it, and convicted. John Edwards hit it dead on when he said that we should take their power away from them so that we don't have problems like this in the future.


I can't believe it. I completely agree with Brandon. It IS the season of miracles. Laughing
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:01 am
Amigo wrote:
Brandon9000, I have been hearing more and more things I like about Edwards. I hear he has made a career out of beating corporations in court.

But all I hear on TV is "Hillary, Obama, Hillary, Obama!"


and for his efforts he is constantly refered to as a blood sucking attorney and disrespected for it, particularly by the conservative right wing.
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Miller
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:22 am
Edwards isn't a charity lawyer. He always took his big percentage when he won a case.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:25 am
Miller wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
The authorities should investigate the process by which this occurred inside Cigna, and everyone along the chain of cause and effect should be arrested and charged, no matter how many people that is. Something very extreme has to happen to disrupt the present system and send a message to congress that they need to get busy. Otherwise, people will eventually lose interest, and health insurers will continue to feel secure in murdering and injuring their clients. I believe that if this ever gets in front of a jury, these murderers won't have much of a chance. I think that a normal juror would feel sympathy towards the family and anger towards the insurance company.

In a similar recent case, an epoxy supplier called Powers Fasteners paid a family 6 million dollars and was indicted on manslaughter charges when a Boston street tunnel collapsed on a car and killed a woman.


How in the world is this a SIMILAR case?

Manslaughter charges were filed against a company that did not go and murder someone in the conventional sense. This makes it more plausible that some sort of murder charges could be filed against Cigna.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 10:26 am
I am constantly amazed at how people minimize the things Edwards... or any sucessful attorney who gets big settlements for people who deserve them is ostracized for getting paid for it.

How many of you would rather make the most you can for the work you do and how many of you would like to make the least?

How many of you would pass up the opportunity to make as much money as you could for yourself and your family while doing honest work and helping people?\

John Edwards earned his riches... he comes from a modest background.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 11:26 am
Miller wrote:
Edwards isn't a charity lawyer. He always took his big percentage when he won a case.


Ah yes, but that's the American way -- most specifically the conservative, free market way. We balk at the idea that insurance companies should take any hit whatsoever to their profit margins in order to actually provide care to their customers, but the attorney that goes to work forcing them to do what they are obliged to do is supposed to work for free.
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 02:03 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
I am constantly amazed at how people minimize the things Edwards... or any sucessful attorney who gets big settlements for people who deserve them is ostracized for getting paid for it.

How many of you would rather make the most you can for the work you do and how many of you would like to make the least?

How many of you would pass up the opportunity to make as much money as you could for yourself and your family while doing honest work and helping people?\

John Edwards earned his riches... he comes from a modest background.
What a load of happy horseshit, Bear. Victims of tragic happenstance may well deserve to get paid for their losses in your opinion; but surely not by getting a scumbag like John Edwards to victimize another innocent party. That simply doesn't make sense. Every one of us likely passes on the opportunity to "make as much money as you could", when we consider the means of doing so beneath us. John Edwards made a career out of making innocent people pay for other innocent people's tragedy. One need not be a saint to recognize there is nothing noble in that. There is, in fact, ample cause for scorn.


FreeDuck wrote:
Miller wrote:
Edwards isn't a charity lawyer. He always took his big percentage when he won a case.


Ah yes, but that's the American way -- most specifically the conservative, free market way. We balk at the idea that insurance companies should take any hit whatsoever to their profit margins in order to actually provide care to their customers, but the attorney that goes to work forcing them to do what they are obliged to do is supposed to work for free.
If John Edwards was that kind of attorney; he'd have my respect and endorsement. He isn't. He's a scumbag who exploits the grief of tragic happenstance to line his own pockets. Pretending to channel a dead baby to convince a jury that a Doctor's Judgment call (which we now know was in all likelihood the correct call) was actually a callous disregard for life. This cretin's behavior resulted in a change in the way babies are delivered (for no good reason) and increased the expense of health care on us all. Heroes don't do that kind of thing; scumbags do.

His next most famous case was robbing Sta-rite when tragedy struck a little girl. Some kids removed a grate, that had never been installed correctly, and the poor thing got severely injured by Sta-Rite's pump. Enter the scumbag to talk about his own tragic loss of his son, for an extraordinary length of time, and exploit 12 members of a jury's compassion to the point where they blamed Sta-Rite for not putting a warning label on a grate that had never been properly installed, and had in fact been removed. Rolling Eyes

John Edwards may well have been a knight in shining armor, had he used his extraordinary talents to go after bean counters like the A-holes at Cigna in the story above. Perhaps he could have forced changes that would have actually benefited people, instead of attacking Doctors who had done nothing wrong, and altering the way they practice medicine for no good reason. He would have earned every million he made as well as my respect and support if he had. But no. Don't confuse him with that guy. John Edwards is nothing more than an extraordinarily talented opportunistic scumbag, pure and simple.

Of course I'd want him to represent me if I had a legitimate case. No matter; he'd be too busy screwing some innocent doctor or corporation to take that kind of work.

Merry Christmas.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 09:53 pm
OB prove it or STFU.
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2007 12:55 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
OB prove it or STFU.
Or what?

I've done so often enough; but since it's election time again, and it's my civic duty to keep that scumbag out of the Oval Office, ok. :wink:

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-hanft/john-edwards-malpractice_b_44269.html][u][i][b]Huffington Post[/b][/i][/u][/url] wrote:
"I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her, I feel her presence," he said in his record-setting 1985 lawsuit on behalf of Jennifer Campbell, born brain-damaged after being deprived of oxygen during labor. "She's inside me and she's talking to you. . . . And this is what she says to you. She says, `I don't ask for your pity. What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do ask for your courage.' "

She quotes from CNN:
"... it now turns out that the causal link between physician malpractice and cerebral palsy is much less certain than was once believed. Furthermore, fetal heart monitoring--which was adopted by many hospitals in the '70's and '80's as a defense against claims of medical malpractice -- may not be as accurate a tool to measure fetal distress as previously hoped."

I quote from CNN:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/27/sebok.edwards/index.html][u][i][b]CNN[/b][/i][/u][/url] wrote:
Doctors often view malpractice lawyers as a threat to their profession - a threat so grave it outweighs any other virtues that the Democratic ticket might have. They are thus concerned that Edwards was a trial lawyer - and in particular, a medical malpractice plaintiffs' lawyer - and is supported by trial lawyers. They are also concerned because some of the cases Edwards brought decades ago have turned out, in retrospect, to be meritless.

Now, let's go on to the more specific complaint about Edwards's own cases.

Edwards won many large verdicts against obstetricians in North Carolina. One of the primary theories he invoked holds that cerebral palsy can be caused during delivery. Now critics are saying that theory was based on "junk science."

In fact, at the time, the medical profession was split on the validity of this theory. There were experts on both sides. Edwards called his to the stand; the defendants called theirs; the jury decided
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CNN was simply too gentle. If "the medical profession was split on the validity of this theory", which it was, then no Doctor on either side should have been persecuted for malpractice, simply for practicing medicine the best way he knew how. Just because there is a victim, doesn't mean there's a perpetrator. John Edwards made his fortune victimizing innocent men for being in the room when natural tragedy struckĀ… as if they were callous perpetrators.

As for the The Sta-Rite Case; it speaks for itself. Edwards hypnotized a jury (quote from wiki-->"In his closing arguments, Edwards spoke to the jury for an hour and a half and referenced his son, Wade, who had been killed shortly before testimony began.") into believing they were at fault for not putting a warning label on a drain cover that hadn't been properly installed and had, in fact, been removed. This is like suing the helmet manufacturer when your child is injured in a bike accident, while NOT wearing the helmet. Sta-Rite settled for $25,000,000 before the jury settled on additional punitive damages, and passed on their opportunity to appeal. I'd wager 10 to 1 this is because they are self insured, and 20 to 1 that that is why the scumbag went after them in the first place. Everyone who believes the 3 year old would have headed the warning on the cover that wasn't there, raise your hand. Just because there is a victim, doesn't mean there's a perpetrator.
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2007 01:33 am
If there was a jury that decided the doctor or company was at fault, then it was the jury who are to blame, not the lawyer. What was up with the defense team? Why didn't they argue better? It's a debating style, when all is said and done.

How that decision against Sta-Rite came about is unclear to me, but had I been defending them, I would have argued vociferously that the fault lie with the people who had removed the grate, not the ones who had supplied it. It's just inadequate defense if you ask me.

With respect to the baby who suffered oxygen loss during the birth, if it's a clear case of malpractice, then the health care professionals should suffer for it. The problem with such a litigious society, however, is that soon nobody will insure others and nobody will be willing to do this work. Who wants to risk their livelihood when something happens that is not their fault but they get sued anyway?

With respect to the case of the 17 yr old who died allegedly as a resulf of denied medical assistance, when I worked in a children's hospital there was a hue and cry over the case of a little one with severe cardiac problems. The BC medical system denied her an operation which they said was "untried or unproven" based on several pediatric cardiologists' opinions. The parents took her to the States where the operation was performed and she died soon after. There is culpability for the spending of other people's money on risky or uncertain but expensive treatments.

Researchers have to apply for public grant research money and receive it based on the merits of their application... which is judged by several "experts" in that field. I'm certain that medical decisions by insurance companies and governments are decided by the same protocols.

Nothing is ever as simplistic as it looks and there is always more to the story than what we are told.

I hope my opinions don't get me into hot water here.
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Reply Wed 26 Dec, 2007 02:31 am
Mame wrote:
If there was a jury that decided the doctor or company was at fault, then it was the jury who are to blame, not the lawyer. What was up with the defense team? Why didn't they argue better? It's a debating style, when all is said and done.
Not bad defense... extraordinary offense. The jury rightly felt compassion for the victim of tragic happenstance, but was deceived into believing someone was responsible. In the 20 years since Edwards pioneered the bogus natural birth can cause Cerebral Palsy cases; cesarean deliveries increased 500%, but CP cases declined not one iota. This is why it's now considered junk science. More important, however, is the fact that 20 years ago experts were split. This means regardless of what delivery was utilized; roughly half the experts agreed it was the correct one. Enter the scumbag: By exploiting human emotion Edwards convinced jurors that Doctors were actually at fault for CP and earned enormous awards where no wrong-doing had actually taken place. This was his standard M.O. He personally victimized at least 20 innocent Doctors with this BS, while demonstrating the road to riches for like-minded scumbags.

Mame wrote:
How that decision against Sta-Rite came about is unclear to me, but had I been defending them, I would have argued vociferously that the fault lie with the people who had removed the grate, not the ones who had supplied it. It's just inadequate defense if you ask me.
According to wiki; he mesmerized the jury in a 90 minute closing argument, in which he exploited his own tragic loss (son). Essentially; he exploited a weakness in our legal system. It is designed to allow for punitive damages sufficient to dissuade bean counters from callous disregard. Scumbag opportunists like Edwards make their fortunes by playing on human emotion to convince juries to give massive awards to deserving victims, by blaming a supposed bad guy who just happens to have deep pockets. This type of perverting of the system increases costs, while decreasing the quality of healthcare for everyone. How many women are walking around with the unnecessary scars to prove it?

Mame wrote:
With respect to the baby who suffered oxygen loss during the birth, if it's a clear case of malpractice, then the health care professionals should suffer for it. The problem with such a litigious society, however, is that soon nobody will insure others and nobody will be willing to do this work. Who wants to risk their livelihood when something happens that is not their fault but they get sued anyway?
Again; it has since been demonstrated that CP wasn't caused by the natural delivery. There was at one time a difference in professional opinion; but at no time was there a consensus anywhere near what should be required to consider it malpractice... unless the baby channeling scumbag is given more credence than the professionals themselves.

Mame wrote:
I hope my opinions don't get me into hot water here.
Na. I'm weary of the Edwards topic myself... but I don't want the scumbag to be my next president, so I feel compelled to keep the truth about his profiteering in plain sight. The guy is part of the problem; not the solution.
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