The US Economy

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Scrat wrote:


Scrat,

I don't see it as a problem. And thanks for explaining something I'm intimately familiar with.....being associated with one of those employers who have had to "cut expenses." My point was that the unemployment figures are not up at all. They are down. The Bush administration has been spinning for political gain. And don't remind me, please that everyone spins. Of course they do, my point again is that the unemployment figures are not really up. period.

sorry for the weirdness on my posts (in format only, of course)......apparently someone has disabled the HTML on my computer here at the office. I'll have to get my techie to fix it. In the meantime, all posts from here will have weirdnesses in the format.

Well, if Lola says it, it must be so! Now, let's lay off all the people who've previously gathered this data for us, and we'll just call Lola for the scoop.

Is that the best you can do, Scrat, to address what I've said? I know you can do better than that. Give it a try.

Lola - It was meant in good humor, not as a slap. If I were going to register my disgreement, how would I do so? You disagree with the unemployment numbers and claim they are meaningless. I could argue that they do mean something, and are one of several ways to measure the job market in the US, but what would be the point? You've already indicated that you choose to believe it is meaningless.

But again, my comments were NOT intended to be anything but fun, and I hoped to laugh with you, not at your expense. If it didn't come across that way, please believe that's how it was meant.

Well, Scrat, you could tell me why you believe the unemployment numbers are accurate, as I told you why I thought they were not. We could exchange ideas. Maybe we'd learn something. Sounds like fun to me. Good humor is always appreciated though.........giggle. Now could you be more specific, or am I truly boring you? :wink:

Quite amusing that now that the stats knock the props from under the arguments of those who relied on the stats to support their contention the policies of The Current Administration were not effecting recovery are now suspect stats. Damn, its gotta be difficult to be a Democrat ... how do you know which way to bend? Then again, mebbe not ... that sort of thinkin' pretty much explains Kerry's appeal to the bunch.

I'm really lookin' forward to November.

You should by all means; Bush's approval rating keeps dropping. From 90 percent down to 52 percent is a huge drop, and we can look forward to further drop as the situation in Iraq gets worse, and people begin to realize this administration doesn't have any plans on how to improve this quagmire. It seems more and more coalition partners are also leaving Iraq; a bad sign for this administration - as they beg the UN to facilitate the turnover - that's in name only.

Me too, Timber. Wanna meet here on election night? One of us will be able to console the other.

In all honesty, all I read from you was THAT you don't think they are accurate, not WHY. I'm off to bed now, but I'll try to backtrack tomorrow and see what I missed.

I disagree. Looks easy to me: You can take any position you want, pick and choose which facts you want to acknowledge and which ones you don't, change the rules when they work against you... seems a lot easier than the alternative. (Seems a lot like childhood to me.)

I'm sure there'll be a spirited election night thread Lola, and I'm sure we'll all be there ... and some folks no doubt will be in need of some consolation.

What polls, c.i. ... these?







This is interesting too:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. April 16-18, 2004. N=1,003 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Next, I'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. How about John Kerry."/"Next, I'd like to get your overall opinion of some people in the news. As I read each name, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of these people -- or if you have never heard of them. How about George W. Bush."/


04/16-18/04
Kerry Favorable: 54% / Bush: 56%
Kerry Unfavorable: 37% / Bush: 42%

03/26-28/04
Kerry Favorable: 53% / Bush: 57%
Kerry Unfavorable: 36% / Bush: 41%

02/16-17/04
Kerry Favorable: 60% / Bush: 56%
Kerry Unfavorable: 26% / Bush: 42%

01/29-2/1/04
Kerry Favorable: 61% / Bush: 52%
Kerry Unfavorable: 23% Bush: 47%

All charts & stats: Polling Report

While Kerry's Favorable rating has declined over the period and his Unfavorable has steadily increased, Bush's Favorable is up over the same period, and has shown consistency over the last 3 sample periods, while his Unfavorable shows a similar decrease and stability. The trend offers little cause for celebration among the ranks of The Opposition.

Additionally, I do not share your pessimism re Iraq, and I find the "Quagmire" assessment ludicrous. Over the next few weeks, the insurgency will collapse due to attrition and growing popular resentment of attacks against civilians, while Iraqi autonomy will become a reality. I see no "begging" for UN assistance, either, and I fully expect the investigation into the Oil For Food kickback and bribery scandal to severely impact not just US but global respect for that organization. Of course, I could be wrong. Still, the critics of The Current Administration haven't had a very good track record over the past three - plus years. I don't see any reason to anticipate their prospects might improve.

If ya expect ta win a horse race, partner, ya gotta bring a horse that'll run. Looks to me like yours is not only lame, its limp is gettin' worse.

Kerry isn't my horse, patnah. He's the front runner for the democratic party, and I'm a independent. If you bothered to read some of my posts, you would have known that my choice would be Kucinich who fits most closely to my political philosophy. As the polls look today, it true that Bush looks like the front runner, but we still have a few months to go before election day. Polls are funny things, they don't always pan out the way they look at one point in time. Let's wait and see.

Oh, I know you were big on that short guy from Cleveland, c.i., I was referring to the horse brought to this race by the generic opposition. So far, there's only one prime thoroughbred entered, seems to me.

And yeah ... wait and see. No one poll means much if anything by itself, as often has been mentioned. The long-term trending of a broad sample of polls and other indicators is all that has any relevance, and even that can lead to imperfect conclusions. Indeed we shall see, and indeed, some folks are gonna be disappointed. At this point, looking at the trending of a broad spectrum of polls and other indicators I still figure I ain't at all likely to be among the disappointed group. The odds are with me. Of course, in politics, anything can happen. If I see a flock of pigs flying by my house, I might start to have a little concern.

I agree, the odds are with you today. I also believe in democracy, and if Bush gets re-elected into office, I'll accept that as the choice of the American People. I'm just hoping he's a one term pres. c.i.