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The US Economy

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:52 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Oh thank god. Timber is optimistic about the economy. That can only mean good things. His track record is reassuring.


Here's about 90 days' worth of my "Track Record", Tart. Glad to dig up more if you'd like, but I got tired of cut-and-pasting links somewhere around the beginning of February's listings.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=36844#36844

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=36925#36925

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=38024#38024

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=40841#40841

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=41692#41692

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=42162#42162

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=42881#42881

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=44928#44928

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46098#46098

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=46968#46968

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=47177#47177

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=47869#47869

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=48770#48770

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=48818#48818

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=48981#48981

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=48996#48996

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49039#49039

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49132#49132

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49144#49144

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49159&highlight=#49159

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49179#49179

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49404#49404

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=49684#49684

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=50122#50122

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=50432#50432

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=54388#54388 (A referrence to a much earlier post of mine on another forum)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=59185#59185 (though Dean has not faded)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68101#68101

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=68300#68300

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=73678#73678

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=73728#73728 ( a month off ... hadn't figured on Turkey's waffling)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=74962#74962

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75397#75397

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75554#75554

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75719#75719

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76175#76175

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76219&highlight=#76219

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76614#76614

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76707#76707 (though I still had hopes for The UN)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76866#76866

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=77055#77055

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=77055#77055 (Does seem I was wrong about Kerry)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=77141#77141 (another missestimation of The UN)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=77573#77573 (Still thought Turkey meant to help)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=77949#77949 (Kerry still had me fooled)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=78445#78445 (Still a bit much faith in the UN, and I did expect more precise evidence to be produced, which turned out a vain expectation)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=79185#79185

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=79921#79921 (losing patience with The UN)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=81425#81425

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=81621#81621

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=82778#82778

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=82893#82893

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=82919&highlight=#82919

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=83089#83089

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=83542#83542 (I sure missed on the Superbowl, though)

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=83665#83665

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=84006#84006

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=85045#85045

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=85692#85692

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=85777#85777

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=86041#86041

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=86120#86120

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=86334#86334

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=88211&highlight=#88211

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=88287#882873

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=89989#89989

Now little of that deals with The Economy, and I clearly didn't have a handle on the Democrat Candidate race back then, and I missed the Super Bowl by about a mile, and I'm admittedly perplexed and confounded by the WMD thing, but all in all, I'd say I didn't do too badly.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:17 pm
Wow -- that must have taken you quite a while, Timber!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 12:20 am
Tartarin wrote:
Wow -- that must have taken you quite a while, Timber!


Could be a good idea to create a "A2K-reference-biography" on different subjects for everyone ... on some dark and lonely winter nights :wink:
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:03 am
Only as long as we can choose the stuff we want in our own reference list, Walter!!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 08:09 am
You go ahead and pick the list, Tart. There are about 5600 to choose from; I just grabbed the first non "Chatty" 50 or 60 I came across, and I only looked in ther Politics Forum.

Lemme make it easy for ya:

Timber's Posts


Edit: Damn! I gotta use preview ... that would sure save editing to correct improperly typed URLs Embarrassed Shocked
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 09:10 am
Tartarin wrote:
Only as long as we can choose the stuff we want in our own reference list, Walter!!

Yeah, I suppose there are a few comments of mine I'd rather not have archived for posterity. Embarrassed :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 10:28 am
Here's some encouraging news. It seems Japan may be on a recovery path. We just need to be cautious, because they have made that claim before. The good news is, if that is true, is that Japan is still the second largest economy of the world.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 10:44 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Here's some encouraging news. It seems Japan may be on a recovery path. We just need to be cautious, because they have made that claim before. The good news is, if that is true, is that Japan is still the second largest economy of the world.

There was news of their recovery going back several months, as with ours. Nice that you noticed, though. Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 10:48 am
Scrat, Our economy is tied to the world economy. Looking at our progress in isolation is myopic. It's also important that Germany show some economic growth for our economy in the US to show stablized growth.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 10:49 am
Just suppose the US Q3 Growth figure were to be revised sharply upward, and that the estimate for overall '03 growth, along with estimates for rate-of-job-growth for '03, and projections for '04 overall economic expansion, domestic and global, likewise were to found to have been underated? Wouldn't that be interesting?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 10:54 am
timber, It certainly would. However, don't forget that the late nineties over-expansion is still with us. That means we still have over-capacity for capital development. We can see that by our higher vacancy rates in Silicon Valley. Many large companies like Cisco stopped development of additional office space two years ago, and we have skeleton buildings that have not been completed still.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 11:21 am
On the topic of American Growth, here's an interesting entry in the Weblog of Brad de Long, a macroeconomist at Berkeley. The bulk of the information is expressed in two lines. The red one shows the development of the American economy's actual output, the blue one its potential output -- what it could produce if it was running at full capacity.

[Edit: I had to remove the image because it was waaay too big. It's in the article I linked to though]

Several points:

1) There is no such thing as overcapacity. There's only insufficient demand. Put money into people's hands, and they'll find a way to make use of the overcapacity.

2) Given a level of productivity, it is usually easy for the government to increase demand by lowering interest rates, increasing government spending, tax cuts for people who spend them, or a combination of the three. But this time, the Fed can't cut their interest rates any lower, the Bush administration won't cut taxes for the lower and middle classes much, who are the most likely to spend it. That leaves spending growth. Better than nothing, but it has been insufficient so far.

3) the area between the two lines is a measure of the macroeconomic waste caused by inadequate government policies. Guess which three years in history have seen the most waste since the Great Depression.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 11:35 am
I get the majority of my halogen lamps from Germany and now Belgium! Ushio America has offered some good deals and I've passed them all on to my customers which means as a percentage of mark up, I'm making less profit moving actually less inventory. It is the small business profit that is also important as they employ most of the people. We concentrate too much on corporate economic health and if they are hiring back. Yes, even down to the controversy over the McJob designation. The unemployment figures are facts that don't always add up to the truth either way. The truth is, we have to see three consecutive quarter in improvement of our economy and the economies of those countries around the world who are now interlocked with the American economy more than ever. Too soon to call -- it's like getting a face card in Blackjack and assuming this will mean you will win.

Scrat is correct that the job recovery is a lagging indicator and likely to come in even a fourth quarter of improvement. That could be too late for Bush. The proof of the pudding is where the individual voters feel they are economically better off. Unemployed people vote too (and have more time to go to the polls Laughing ).
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 12:23 pm
Thomas, PM me the URL for the image, I'll resize it if I can, and, if successful, stick the revision into your post. As to "macroeconomic waste", well, interesting. Not a theory to which I happen to subscribe, but interesting.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 12:26 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Scrat, Our economy is tied to the world economy. Looking at our progress in isolation is myopic. It's also important that Germany show some economic growth for our economy in the US to show stablized growth.

I haven't been looking at it in isolation. Have you? Confused
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 12:29 pm
Here's another interesting bit of news today. AMD, a Sunnyvale chip company, is building a 2.4 billion plant in Germany while our factories here sit idle.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 12:30 pm
Thomas - Good, interesting comments overall, but I have to take exception to this:

Thomas wrote:
... the Bush administration won't cut taxes for the lower and middle classes much, who are the most likely to spend it.

Bush's tax cuts gave the largest rate cut to the lower end, the next largest to the middle, and the smallest to the top. You and I both know that pretty much ANY marginal cut in the tax rate of the highest wage earners will net them a larger individual retention of income because they each earn so much more and pay so much more in taxes.

This "tax cuts for the rich" nonsense, is just that, and way below you.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 02:19 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Here's another interesting bit of news today. AMD, a Sunnyvale chip company, is building a 2.4 billion plant in Germany while our factories here sit idle.


IBM got a 400 million dollar contract o make chips for the DoD.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 02:25 pm
Brand X, Will that 400 million contract increase jobs in the US?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2003 02:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Here's another interesting bit of news today. AMD, a Sunnyvale chip company, is building a 2.4 billion plant in Germany while our factories here sit idle.


From SFGate.com:
Quote:
[...]
So far, AMD has raised about $1.5 billion for the project, enough to start construction. That includes $500 million worth of subsidies from the governments of Germany and the state of Saxony, $700 million in bank loans and about $320 million in equity funding from Saxony and a group of European investors.

AMD needs to raise an additional $900 million and may look for a partnership with another chipmaker to help pay the rest of the cost, Hector de Jesus Ruiz, AMD's president and chief executive officer, said Thursday in a conference call.

The state of New York, which has been attracting semiconductor firms with government subsidies and fast-track permit process, was also in the running, but in the end, it was the familiarity that won the day for Germany, he said.

"At the end of the day, one thing that was so strong ... was that we already have over 2,000 people (in Dresden) which we have invested in for many years (and) of course, followed by a very competitive financial package," Ruiz said.
[...]

complete article
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