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Feminist are better in bed

 
 
Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 04:59 am
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Study: Feminists are better mates
Supporters of equality for women also have stronger relationships, new research says


By Judy Peres | Tribune staff reporter
2:47 AM CST, November 17, 2007

Take a feminist out to dinner.

That's the advice of a social psychologist who concludes in a new study that feminists make better partners and have stronger romantic relationships.

Laurie Rudman of Rutgers University had found in earlier research that negative stereotypes of feminists?-that they're unattractive, man-hating lesbians, in a nutshell?-cause young adults to distance themselves from the "F-word" and tone down their demands for equality. A majority of college-age respondents agreed with such statements as "Most men would probably not want to date a feminist" and "Romance depends, in part, on men being allowed to be in charge."

This was alarming to Rudman, who is old enough to remember the heyday of the women's rights movement in the 1970s. Continued efforts to achieve gender equality could be seriously hurt, she reasoned, if women (and men) think it comes at the expense of love.

So, with the help of graduate student Julie Phelan, she set about trying to determine if there was any truth to the notion that feminists are more likely than traditional women to have crummy relationships.

The results, appearing in the online edition of the peer-reviewed journal Sex Roles, show that for both women and men there was a benefit to having a feminist partner. Feminist women were also more likely than others to be in a romantic relationship.

"If you're a woman paired with a male feminist," said Rudman, "you have a healthier relationship across the board"?-better in terms of relationship quality, equality, stability and sexual satisfaction.

"And men paired with female feminists have greater sexual satisfaction and greater relationship stability," she said. "So, [there were] higher scores on two of the four dimensions, with no difference on the other two."

There you have it: Feminists are sexy.

"Contrary to popular beliefs, feminism does not disrupt men's pleasure in the bedroom," said Rudman.

That makes perfect sense to counselors like Gina Ogden, who says "the cultural missionary position?-man on top" isn't conducive to romance.

"If a relationship is based on authoritarian control, keeping one person on top and the other underneath, it gets old pretty fast?-for both partners, really," said Ogden, a Boston sex therapist who surveyed 3,810 people for her book "The Heart and Soul of Sex."

"In an egalitarian relationship, there is more flow of give and take," she said, "and that's the romantic tension. That tension?-the sexual desire?-is in that space between you where you're able to flow back and forth."

In her experience, said Ogden, "where there's caring, sharing, openness and honesty, sexual satisfaction increases. It not only feels good now, but it is likely to get better and better as you age."

Chicago psychotherapist Sue Scheffler, who treats couples, seconds that emotion.

"What's important is mutual respect," said Scheffler. "If you're married to someone with feminist values?-someone with a sense that men and women have the same worth?-that would be a key factor in terms of your health and satisfaction in the marriage, whether or not you call yourself a feminist."

She added: "No woman wants to be a slave, and I don't think even a somewhat enlightened guy would want to be a meal ticket. There has to be some role satisfaction, whatever you've elected to do, and you have to feel like your partner respects your choice."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:00 am
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For the study, the Rutgers researchers designed two surveys, one for college sophomores in the laboratory and the other an online questionnaire for older adults.

The subjects?-513 students and 471 adults ages 18-65 recruited online?-were asked how they felt about career women and whether they considered themselves feminists. They were also asked about their partners' feminist identity and attitudes.

Not surprisingly, feminism scores among the subjects were tepid. The mean for women in the college group was 6.2 on a 10-point scale, and the mean for men was only 4.9. (The men's average score was slightly higher in the older, online group.)

Next, they were asked a series of questions intended to get at four measures of relationship health: quality (for example, "How often do you and your partner laugh together?"), equality ("How often do you and your partner disagree about your role in the relationship?"), stability ("How often do you think about finding another partner?") and sexual satisfaction ("How often have you considered having a sexual relationship with someone other than your partner?").

As for the notion that strong, independent women can't get a date, Rudman and Phelan asked the subjects about their sexual orientation, whether they were currently in a relationship, and how attractive they thought they were ("I seem to be very popular with the opposite sex").

It turned out that self-identified feminists were no more likely to be homosexual or to consider themselves unattractive, Rudman said: "There's zero correlation." And they actually had a better chance of having a romantic partner.

"There goes the spinster idea," said Rudman. "If you're a feminist, men are slightly more likely to want to be in a relationship with you."

Leonore Tiefer, a sex researcher who practices in New York City, hailed the study. "I agree with the premise," she said. "Let's get a little data about these claims that feminists have lousy sex lives or can't get along with men or can't sustain relationships."

But Tiefer noted: "We don't really know what the subjects meant by 'feminism' or 'sexual satisfaction,' so the study is really about labels."

Since word of the study started leaking out, mostly online, Rudman said she has received a lot of attention.

"There are a lot of angry bloggers out there," she said. "We're accused of being man-hating, radical lesbians. One blogger wrote, 'I Googled them?-they're both dogs.' That put a dent in my graduate student's naiveté."

So, what about the investigator's personal life?

"I was lucky," said Rudman. "I found a feminist guy and we've been married over 30 years."

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Print edition Chicago Tribune, 17.11.2007, frontpage and page 4
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Nov, 2007 05:01 am
From earlier this week, a comment in The Guardian

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Feminism and romantic love make very happy bedfellows

Despite the forces ranged against the f-word, those who embrace it have stronger relationships - and are better in bed


Libby Brooks in New York
Thursday November 15, 2007
The Guardian


The news, for the terminally declining population of women who identify as feminists, is good. According to a study by researchers at Rutgers University, New Jersey, the classic New Yorker cartoon of two women discussing relationships in a coffee shop - "sex brought us together but gender drove us apart" - is plain wrong. Feminists are happier in love and better in bed.

I'm extrapolating a wee bit optimistically, but it's cheering to come across a study about the f-word that doesn't conclude 99% of respondents think the women's movement was about unshaved armpits. What the Rutgers researchers actually found was that, in a survey of college students and older adults, all in heterosexual relationships, men paired with feminist partners reported greater relationship stability and sexual satisfaction. In addition, there was consistent evidence that male feminist partners were healthier for women's relationships, while there was scant evidence that women's feminism created conflict in liaisons.

This will doubtless do little to dispel the popular myth that the majority of feminists are man-hating lesbians and, granted, studies reporting levels of contentment are subjective. But the question the study seeks to address is an important one: how do straight women distinguish genuine, positive intimacy and its attendant vulnerabilities from the self-defeating romantic discourses they are encouraged to buy into?

It's inevitable that feminism and romantic love have been set up as being mutually exclusive. From Betty Freidan's evisceration of 50s domesticity in The Feminine Mystique onwards, the women's movement has counselled that romantic fulfilment should be a part of, rather than the sole measure of, a woman's self-worth. Though we may have advanced beyond the stage when attracting a powerful mate was a woman's only means of securing social status, the obsessive veneration of Wags, as well as our addiction to the beauty industry and the content of every other self-help book, would suggest that advance should be measured in yards rather than miles.

It may be a biological imperative for both genders to pair bond, but the romantic narrative of love/marriage/children is simply not inculcated in boys in the same way as it is in girls. It's a narrative still closely associated with those traditional feminine virtues of vulnerability, passivity, nurture. And if feminism is considered incompatible with love, it is likewise seen as a threat to femininity itself.

But understanding our weaknesses and needs doesn't preclude empowerment. It's only anti-feminist if women believe those private needs underpin everything at all times of our lives, including the parallel needs for education, say, or economic independence or job satisfaction. And it's worth remembering that the "now where did I put my lipstick?" version of femininity takes a whole lot of guile to pull off.

Still, some of the truest of feminist believers have attested to a suspicion that there is something, well, unfeminist about the pursuit of romantic love. Women do spend a substantial amount of time on relationships, but in doing so do they distract themselves from worthier pursuits? Katha Pollitt, the award-winning poet, essayist and Nation columnist, ponders this in her recent memoir, Learning to Drive. "Perhaps the way women think about love is part of that slave religion Nietzsche talks about, a mystification of the powerless," she writes. "What would the world be like if women stopped being women ... gave up the slave religion? Could the world go on without romantic love, all iron fist, no velvet glove?"

In an essay titled After the Men Are Dead, she asks: "Will it be restful, not having to think about love, romance, sex, pleasing, listening, encouraging, smiling at old jokes ... Men take a lot of attending to and on; there's a lot of putting down of books involved." Or as Jessica Valenti, founder of feministing.com and voice of a fresh generation of US feminists, more succinctly puts it: "If I'd spent half the energy on my career and school stuff as I did on my relationships, I'd probably be the ******* president by now."

That's not to say that men don't fret about their relationships too. But, from the highly unscientific sample of the men I've known as friends and lovers, they don't to the same degree and, when they do, prefer to cast themselves as tragic hero or romantic lead rather than foil. This is why there will never be a market for a book of dating advice for men titled She's Just Not That Into You.

Pollitt's point that women's desire for male approval - be that of how we look, how we have sex or how we love - is debilitating, but may be inescapable because of how forcefully and consistently it is reinforced by the structures around us, even when it is not by men themselves. So long as the withdrawal of male approval is used as punishment for women's successes - consider the number of female politicians deemed unattractive - the notion that a woman is completed rather than complemented by the presence of a man in her life is a hard one to shake.

But that's very different from suggesting that desire for a man is weakening, or that feminism and romantic love are indeed incompatible. All relationships involve a degree of compromise - the key is whether you are compromising with or for the other person.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 11:13 pm
Interesting
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 11:30 pm
I knew that :-D
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Sglass
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 11:48 pm
A feminist respects men and women in equal measure - therefore all decent human beings are feminists.

Oona King, MP
Britain
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majolote
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 11:12 pm
Praise Feminism is praise Machismo
We souldn't make such differences I think... I found a interesting forum edit: Link removed by Moderator .... Gog Bless You
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princesspupule
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2007 05:43 am
Compromising with or for...

Hm, interesting.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 26 Nov, 2007 11:03 am
Sglass wrote:
A feminist respects men and women in equal measure - therefore all decent human beings are feminists.

Oona King, MP
Britain


Bingo ;-)
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vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 01:54 am
I remember the 80's here in Australia, where numbers of women didn't want to be treated like women (go figure) in the name of feminism.

I found it just...unnatural. I'm rather glad that period of history is gone.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 04:18 am
Montana wrote:
Sglass wrote:
A feminist respects men and women in equal measure - therefore all decent human beings are feminists.

Oona King, MP
Britain


Bingo ;-)


What about feminists who like porn? Twisted Evil

What about decent human beings who like porn? Twisted Evil


I know, I know, in your view, decent human beings don't like porn... Cool
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 05:29 am
Hunters make better lovers. They go deeper into the bush. They shoot more often. And they eat what they shoot.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 05:30 am
And they like it bleeding...
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 05:35 am
and tied down.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 23 Dec, 2007 07:50 am
Did they allow women into the study before determining if the had a relationship at all? Would feminists with bad relationshops have been likely to volunteer for the study, knowing in advance what it was trying to determine? Did the study depend on accepting the self-evaluation of subjects who knew what the study was trying to measure? Would a magazine called "Sex Roles" have published a study which concluded the opposite?
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Sglass
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 09:17 pm
Francis wrote:
Montana wrote:
Sglass wrote:
A feminist respects men and women in equal measure - therefore all decent human beings are feminists.

Oona King, MP
Britain


Bingo ;-)


What about feminists who like porn? Twisted Evil

What about decent human beings who like porn? Twisted Evil

FRANCIS I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE A PORN FREAK. COOL MAN, COOL - YOU AND THE MARQUIS DA SADE - WANNA BORROW MY COPY OF 120 NIGHTS OF SODOM?


I know, I know, in your view, decent human beings don't like porn... Cool
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 24 Dec, 2007 11:59 pm
Francis wrote:
Montana wrote:
Sglass wrote:
A feminist respects men and women in equal measure - therefore all decent human beings are feminists.

Oona King, MP
Britain


Bingo ;-)


What about feminists who like porn? Twisted Evil

What about decent human beings who like porn? Twisted Evil


I know, I know, in your view, decent human beings don't like porn... Cool


That's not true! I never said people who liked porn weren't decent human beings!

I gather you're a porn fan, Francis? Laughing
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 04:09 am
Sglass wrote:
FRANCIS I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE A PORN FREAK. COOL MAN, COOL - YOU AND THE MARQUIS DA SADE - WANNA BORROW MY COPY OF 120 NIGHTS OF SODOM?


It's really amazing how people can make such inferences based on a single ironic comment!

No, really, I'm so beyond that, I read all those books many years ago..

Thanks, anyway, for the offer.
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 04:15 am
Montana wrote:
That's not true! I never said people who liked porn weren't decent human beings!


Glad that you aknowledge that!

Note, however, that that was a ironic comment based of some your replies to another thread..



Montana wrote:
I gather you're a porn fan, Francis? Laughing


No, franckly, real life is so much better! :wink:
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solipsister
 
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Reply Tue 25 Dec, 2007 05:27 am
I imagine that people are attracted to interesting others and encourage all success.
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