Oil at $87 and rising - still no alternative energy

Yeah, nothing ever has happened badly to the environment when oil is involved.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yeah, nothing ever has happened badly to the environment when oil is involved.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Oil is a natural substance, and oil fields do occur in outcrop, however most of the light ends have evaporated away, leaving tar deposits. It has been dangerous to wildlife, as evidenced by the La Brea tar pits in LA where Sabre Tooth Tigers and other prehistoric animals became mired and died.

The point is, oil has been around a long long time and occurs naturally, and therefore is not mortally dangerous. It can be managed, and has been managed. Our lifespans are increasing, even with all the oil we consume.

So if you see a drop of oil, you don't need to shy away from it, cyclops, you won't die.

Nobody is advocating drinking oil or using it on our salads, cyclops. We only pave alot of roads with derivatives of it, and it works pretty well for that. The point is the substance is manageable, and not that great of a problem, as compared with many other problems, considering the benefits to society. If we went back to horses, probably many more people would die from being kicked or thrown off a horse, or from getting manure into the drinking water.

But nobody is advocating a return to horses. Instead, we are advocating an advancement to better, more efficient, more technologically advanced methods of transportation.

You are actually making the same arguments.. as the horse and buggy crowd made when the automobile came along

Cycloptichorn wrote:

But nobody is advocating a return to horses. Instead, we are advocating an advancement to better, more efficient, more technologically advanced methods of transportation.

You are actually making the same arguments.. as the horse and buggy crowd made when the automobile came along

Uh, no he isn't. Your idea of advancement appears to involve a heavy stock investment in companies producing human powered vehicles with stickers on them that read "Cannondale", "Specialized", and "Trek".

Don't make me bust a gut laughing.

Folks, before you start glorifying your "solution", you may want to get out of the city for a moment and remember that the world is a big place. Take a trip to Wyoming. Try to find some public transportation there.

Fact is, most large cities in the US already have mass transit. Other fact it, is it often crime infested, dirty, and unreliable. When the put up the "no weapons" signs, then it really gets to be a problem. I don't like to sit in the kill zone.

We went from a non-viable space program to standing on the moon in a decade through governmental involvement, leadership, and desire. We can do the same for cleaner and better transportation - if we have the leadership. What's the downside?

I will state that Hybrids would allow Montana's drivers to go much farther then normal, for less money.

Cycloptichorn

cyclo wrote :

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We went from a non-viable space program to standing on the moon in a decade through governmental involvement, leadership, and desire. We can do the same for cleaner and better transportation - if we have the leadership. What's the downside?

no downside imo , but i'm sure there are plenty of people that have to be dragged shouting and screaming to accept those new technologies .

you know the old saying : " why change , it was good enough for my dad , grand-dad , me (fill in as required ) ".

as scientists are apt to say : "there is only one constant and it is CHANGE ! " .
accept it or perish !
hbg

One senator, just one, Wayne Allard of Colorado, had enough sense to vote against the suspension of oil purchases for the national petroleum reserve. It amounts to 70,000 barrels per day, just 7% of the approximate estimated production we could be getting from ANWR right now if the Democrats had not blocked it for more than 10 years now.

I heard speculation that suspending the 70,000 barrels per day could lower the price a nickel a gallon, which is strange because I thought I heard the Democrats assert that not having ANWR's 1 million barrels per day would only amount to a penny per gallon. Liars or idiots all of them, except one senator, the honorable Wayne Allard.

I think the petroleum reserve is for emergency purposes, and suspending purchases during the normal course of the market demand of oil, is not only irresponsible and stupid, but the Senate has its priorities out of order, they care more about a nickel per gallon of gas and getting re-elected than they do about the security of the country. Traitors. Thats a bit of strong word, I don't mean it, but seriously these people should have a brain. They will claim 70,000 barrels per day is so all fired important, but they won't allow drilling to obtain a million barrels per day because it won't amount to a hill of beans. They need to take math all over again.

The tree huggers and your ilk won't allow building more refineries, or at least it is made uneconomical by excessive regulation.

okie wrote:

One senator, just one, Wayne Allard of Colorado, had enough sense to vote against the suspension of oil purchases for the national petroleum reserve. It amounts to 70,000 barrels per day, just 7% of the approximate estimated production we could be getting from ANWR right now if the Democrats had not blocked it for more than 10 years now.

I heard speculation that suspending the 70,000 barrels per day could lower the price a nickel a gallon, which is strange because I thought I heard the Democrats assert that not having ANWR's 1 million barrels per day would only amount to a penny per gallon. Liars or idiots all of them, except one senator, the honorable Wayne Allard.

I think the petroleum reserve is for emergency purposes, and suspending purchases during the normal course of the market demand of oil, is not only irresponsible and stupid, but the Senate has its priorities out of order, they care more about a nickel per gallon of gas and getting re-elected than they do about the security of the country. Traitors. Thats a bit of strong word, I don't mean it, but seriously these people should have a brain. They will claim 70,000 barrels per day is so all fired important, but they won't allow drilling to obtain a million barrels per day because it won't amount to a hill of beans. They need to take math all over again.

You don't know much about the way oil and gas pricing works, do you?

Increasing the supply for oil doesn't do much when you are running your refineries at full capacity.

Cycloptichorn

okie wrote:

One senator, just one, Wayne Allard of Colorado, had enough sense to vote against the suspension of oil purchases for the national petroleum reserve. It amounts to 70,000 barrels per day, just 7% of the approximate estimated production we could be getting from ANWR right now if the Democrats had not blocked it for more than 10 years now.

I heard speculation that suspending the 70,000 barrels per day could lower the price a nickel a gallon, which is strange because I thought I heard the Democrats assert that not having ANWR's 1 million barrels per day would only amount to a penny per gallon. Liars or idiots all of them, except one senator, the honorable Wayne Allard.

I think the petroleum reserve is for emergency purposes, and suspending purchases during the normal course of the market demand of oil, is not only irresponsible and stupid, but the Senate has its priorities out of order, they care more about a nickel per gallon of gas and getting re-elected than they do about the security of the country. Traitors. Thats a bit of strong word, I don't mean it, but seriously these people should have a brain. They will claim 70,000 barrels per day is so all fired important, but they won't allow drilling to obtain a million barrels per day because it won't amount to a hill of beans. They need to take math all over again.

You don't know much about the way oil and gas pricing works, do you?

Increasing the supply for oil doesn't do much when you are running your refineries at full capacity.

Cycloptichorn