blatham, your quote from progressive.org is an interesting one. Thank you. That distinction is often not made.
Iraq ponders its political landscape after Saddam
February 19 2003
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/18/1045330596325.html
Walter and blatham, Thank you for those links. Guess what? The stock market is shooting upwards! I wonder if the world-wide demonstrations for peace is the cause. c.i.
cicerone imposter wrote:Walter and blatham, Thank you for those links. Guess what? The stock market is shooting upwards! I wonder if the world-wide demonstrations for peace is the cause. c.i.
Here are a couple of opinions on the topic:
Quote:"It's just a follow through with Friday's real strong action," said Keith Keenan, vice president of institutional trading at brokerage Wall Street Access. "It's really a function that there's no real developments on the geopolitical front, and the lack of any attack of any sort over the weekend."
Forbes
Quote:NEW YORK (CBS.MW) - U.S. equity markets moved convincingly higher Tuesday as investors returned from a long holiday weekend to rally with a vengeance on indications that war with Iraq is no longer imminent.
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The perception that war isn't a looming certainty sparked Friday's rally as Chief Inspector Hans Blix told the United Nations that his team hadn't found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
CBS Marketwatch
So, it sounds like a definite maybe.
This gem of wishful thinking is from Blathams post (full text from the Progressive)
Such continued pressure, a political onslaught, should be backed by threat of force. A few warning shots may well be sufficient. This would help split the ruling group and embolden the people to take matters into their hands. A painfully slow process of regime disintegration has already been going on, and this political pressure would hasten the process along. An invasion, on the other hand, would wrench matters out of Iraqi hands and would risk untold consequences.
What a wonderful statement from dreamland where the author, who is obviously an Iraqi dissident, resides. He admits he was also a member of the Iraq communist party which provides further evidence of the fantasy world he lives in.
He says a few warning shots may be necessary----maybe he would like to consult his crystal ball and tell us exactly how many warning shots we should fire---2---10---a hundred---or just enough to convince Saddam the war has started so he can ignite the oil fields and let loose the sarin gas (that he doesn't have). A full scale invasion would be a disaster--he says----of course it would for all those dissidents who want to become part of the new regime.
He also refers to firing a "few warning shots" as political pressure.
What insane disregard for reality.
Really you anti-war people will grasp at any straw and leave no worm unturned to forward your view.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=8&u=/nm/20030218/ts_nm/iraq_eu_dc
Quote:
Chirac Under Fire After EU Unites to Warn Iraq
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By John Chalmers and Marie-Louise Moller
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Thirteen candidate countries on Tuesday endorsed the European Union (news - web sites)'s warning to Iraq that it risks war as a last resort if it does not cooperate fully with U.N. disarmament efforts ... Chirac's outburst, branding the candidates ill-behaved and reckless for siding with Washington, drew reactions ranging from scorn to polite disdain from east European leaders invited to Brussels for a briefing on the EU emergency summit.
At a late-night news conference on Monday, Chirac said the 13 should have consulted the EU before issuing their joint letters and they had "missed a great opportunity to shut up." He also said Romania and Bulgaria had jeopardized their chances of joining the EU by joining the pro-American camp ...
So Chirac wants "The New Members" to behave and sit quietly at the kiddie table while the adults have all the fun, huh? This isn't going to go over well. Apparently, French Pride has more of as role in French Posture than does French Principle.
timber
Really you war monger people will grasp at any straw and leave no worm unturned to forward your view.
timber
Which new members to the EU? Candidates is something different, I think.
Nevertheless:
Quote:"After a tense meeting on Tuesday, the 10 states, along with Cyprus, Malta and Turkey, agreed to throw their weight behind an EU statement calling for Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein to disarm immediately or face the threat of war."
timberlandko wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=8&u=/nm/20030218/ts_nm/iraq_eu_dc
Quote:
Chirac Under Fire After EU Unites to Warn Iraq
38 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By John Chalmers and Marie-Louise Moller
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Thirteen candidate countries on Tuesday endorsed the European Union (news - web sites)'s warning to Iraq that it risks war as a last resort if it does not cooperate fully with U.N. disarmament efforts ... Chirac's outburst, branding the candidates ill-behaved and reckless for siding with Washington, drew reactions ranging from scorn to polite disdain from east European leaders invited to Brussels for a briefing on the EU emergency summit.
At a late-night news conference on Monday, Chirac said the 13 should have consulted the EU before issuing their joint letters and they had "missed a great opportunity to shut up." He also said Romania and Bulgaria had jeopardized their chances of joining the EU by joining the pro-American camp ...
So Chirac wants "The New Members" to behave and sit quietly at the kiddie table while the adults have all the fun, huh? This isn't going to go over well. Apparently, French Pride has more of as role in French Posture than does French Principle.
timber
Those countries are in the waitingroom. They are no members, yet. Some countries in the EU first have to hold a referendum so their population can approve the enlargement. So its better for the candidate countries to keep low profile. e.g. Its funny to see Poland begging for money for their agricultural sector. And at the same time they place a Billion order for F16 fighterjets.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030218/wl_nm/iraq_philippines_scientist_dc_2
Quote:
Iraq Scientist Says Saddam Hiding Arms Underground
36 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Ruben Alabastro
MANILA (Reuters) - A former top Iraqi scientist said on Tuesday he believed Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had dismantled his nuclear program but was making chemical and biological weapons that were hidden deep underground beyond the eyes of U.N. inspectors ...
... "My understanding is that the nuclear program has been, for all practical purposes, dismantled," he said. "But the program to produce chemical and biological weapons continued even during the years when the inspectors were in Iraq in the 1990s."
This "Smoke Cloud" keeps popping up. I believe there might really be a fire behind it. I believe also we shall know for certain before very long.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20030218/ts_nm/iraq_usa_dc
Quote:Bush Shrugs Off Global Antiwar Protests
50 minutes ago Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Steve Holland
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) on Tuesday shrugged off global protests against a possible U.S.-led war with Iraq and the White House said a new U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing military force could be proposed this week ...
... Bush told reporters that "democracy is a beautiful thing and people are allowed to express their opinion" but that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is a risk to peace.
"Evidently some in the world don't view Saddam as a risk to peace. I respectfully disagree," Bush said.
He added: "War is my last choice, but the risk of doing nothing is even a worse option, as far as I'm concerned. I owe it to the American people to secure this country. I will do so."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-02-17-bioweaponry-usat_x.htm
Confidently, I figure this search effort will yield more conclusive evidence than have the UNSCOM and UNMOVIC inspections. I would not be surprised to find there is a "Smoking Gun", and that that "Gun" is stamped "Made In France" and is loaded with German ammunition.
timber
Are we suggesting an escalation timber. Now we have good old World War on our hands!
BillW
Yes---the news about Chirac shooting himself in the foot is welcome news indeed---maybe he won't miss his head next time.
Seems, some of you are very funny today.
timber, Your statement, "Confidently, I figure this search effort will yield more conclusive evidence than have the UNSCOM and UNMOVIC inspections. I would not be surprised to find there is a "Smoking Gun", and that that "Gun" is stamped "Made In France" and is loaded with German ammunition" is a distinct possibility. I can only concur with this observation, because "they protests too much!" However, having said that, I hope hard evidence is found before the US attacks Iraq. This is the only way we will win world support and credibility. c.i.
and i assume the "biolologics" will be make in america
dyslexia
I thought, that has been already proved.
Quote:"There is no rush to war: we waited 12 years and then went through the United Nations" Tony Blair
[...]
The world is not rushing to war with Iraq - but it remains the only option without a change of heart by Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair has said.
The UK prime minister, defending his stance on Iraq at his monthly news conference, also argued that those trying to "pull America and Europe apart" were playing the most dangerous game for world security.
It also emerged on Tuesday that Mr Blair will have a private audience with the Pope, who has urged a peaceful solution to the crisis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2773771.stm
Iraq Scientist Says Saddam Hiding Arms Underground
36 minutes ago Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Ruben Alabastro
MANILA (Reuters) - A former top Iraqi scientist said on Tuesday he believed Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) had dismantled his nuclear program but was making chemical and biological weapons that were hidden deep underground beyond the eyes of U.N. inspectors ...
... "My understanding is that the nuclear program has been, for all practical purposes, dismantled," he said. "But the program to produce chemical and biological weapons continued even during the years when the inspectors were in Iraq in the 1990s."
Oooh boy -- wouldn't I love to check this "top Iraqi scientist's" bank accounts for recent large dollar deposits... Or maybe this information came from the same source as that warning which caused the "code orange"? Hmmm.
Tartar, I agree with your skepticism, but even our government is bound to learn from stupid mistakes like the recent "code orange" warnings, plastic sheetings and duct tape, before they 'trust' the word of one scientist. It's my hope, anyway. c.i.
The British relay at least on a 12 years old doctor thesis!
"He believed" and "My understanding" are not conclusive by any means. c.i.
