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Blackwater

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 3 Oct, 2007 10:37 am
Here's the guy that hired Blackwater to break him out of an Iraqi prison, chilling on a couch somewhere...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/09/images/20030922-8_senioriraqiofficial-515h.jpg

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2007 11:20 am
Quote:
Blackwater Faulted In Military Reports From Shooting Scene

By Sudarsan Raghavan, Joshua Partlow and Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, October 5, 2007; A01

BAGHDAD, Oct. 4 -- U.S. military reports from the scene of the Sept. 16 shooting incident involving the security firm Blackwater USA indicate that its guards opened fire without provocation and used excessive force against Iraqi civilians, according to a senior U.S. military official.

The reports came to light as an Interior Ministry official and five eyewitnesses described a second deadly shooting minutes after the incident in Nisoor Square. The same Blackwater security guards, after driving about 150 yards away from the square, fired into a crush of cars, killing one person and injuring two, the Iraqi official said.


The U.S. military reports appear to corroborate the Iraqi government's contention that Blackwater was at fault in the shooting incident in Nisoor Square, in which hospital records say at least 14 people were killed and 18 were wounded.

"It was obviously excessive, it was obviously wrong," said the U.S. military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the incident remains the subject of several investigations. "The civilians that were fired upon, they didn't have any weapons to fire back at them. And none of the IP or any of the local security forces fired back at them," he added, using a military abbreviation for the Iraqi police. The Blackwater guards appeared to have fired grenade launchers in addition to machine guns, the official said.

The company has said its guards acted appropriately after being attacked. Blackwater Chairman Erik Prince, in previously unpublicized remarks prepared for delivery at a congressional hearing Tuesday, said the Blackwater guards "came under small-arms fire" and "returned fire at threatening targets."

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack hinted Thursday that Blackwater guards could face legal proceedings. Announcing a decision to have FBI agents lead a State Department inquiry into the shootings, he said it was "a hedge against the possibility that an investigation leads to the point where there may need to be a referral" to U.S. prosecutors.

In response to the shootings, the Pentagon is also conducting a broad review of its relationship with the private security contractors it employs. The military has issued about 7,000 weapons permits to private contractors, the senior U.S. military official said, but has stopped issuing new permits until it can review who has the weapons and how they have been used.

Many U.S. military officials are critical of Blackwater because its guards have a reputation for reckless behavior that officials say reflects poorly on American troops in Iraq. Iraqi citizens often do not distinguish between U.S. soldiers in Humvees and Blackwater guards in armored vehicles.

"They tend to overreact to a lot of things. They maneuver around town very aggressively, they've got weapons pointed at people, they cut people off, of course their speeds -- I mean a whole bunch of things they do fairly consistently. But when it comes to shooting and firing, they tend to shoot quicker than others," the U.S. military official said.

U.S. soldiers have reviewed statements from eyewitnesses and video footage recorded at Nisoor Square, the official said. Members of a U.S. unit working with Iraqi police were present in the area at the time of the shootings. U.S. soldiers also helped ferry victims to hospitals.

Blackwater, whose primary task in Iraq is to protect U.S. diplomats, has been unwilling to share information about the incident with the U.S. military, the official said, adding that military officials went to Blackwater's compound in the Green Zone but were denied access to company managers.

Anne Tyrell, a Blackwater spokeswoman, said the company was "cooperating with all investigations" and deferred further comment until they are complete.

The prepared testimony of Blackwater Chairman Prince is the company's fullest accounting to date of the events at Nisoor Square. Portions of the remarks dealing with the incident were left out of his testimony to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee after the Justice Department, on the morning of the hearing, warned that the incident was under investigation and should not be discussed in public session.

The testimony said that after a Blackwater team delivered a U.S. government official to a Baghdad destination, a "very large" car bomb exploded "in close proximity to their location." After the team "secured its principal and requested support for its evacuation," a second Blackwater team proceeded to an intersection "approximately one mile away from the explosion site to secure a route of egress" for the first team.

When the second team arrived at Nisoor Square, it said, "they came under small-arms fire and notified the first team to proceed along a different route. The vehicle team still in the intersection continued to receive fire, and some team members returned fire at threatening targets. Among the threats identified were men with AK-47s firing on the convoy, as well as approaching vehicles that appeared to be suicide car bombers."

The team attempted to leave, but "one of their vehicles was disabled by enemy fire" and eventually had to be towed. "Some of those firing on this Blackwater team appeared to be wearing Iraqi National Police uniforms, or portions of such uniforms. As the withdrawal occurred, the Blackwater vehicles remained under fire from such personnel."

According to Prince's prepared testimony, which cautioned that his "current understanding" remained incomplete, only five members of the 20-member team ever discharged their weapons "in response to the threat." Blackwater helicopters "did assist in directing the teams to safety, but contrary to some reports, no one in the helicopters discharged any weapons."

In the testimony he did deliver, Prince said that "based on everything we currently know, the Blackwater team acted appropriately while operating in a very complex war zone." He said that there was a "rush to judgment based on inaccurate information, and many public reports have wrongly pronounced Blackwater's guilt for the death of varying numbers of civilians."

McCormack, the State Department spokesman, did not say under which U.S. laws Blackwater employees could face prosecution. Contractors are immune from Iraqi law under an order issued by the U.S. occupation government in 2004. Although Defense Department contractors are liable under U.S. military codes, the extent to which those working for State are within the jurisdiction of U.S. civilian courts remains "murky," the head of the department's diplomatic security operations said in congressional testimony Tuesday.

Blackwater and other security firms providing personal security under contract to the State Department have been implicated in a number of previous Iraqi civilian deaths, injuries and property damage incidents in recent years, but no one has ever been prosecuted in the incidents.

Andrew J. Moonen, 27, a former Blackwater employee from Kalispell, Mont., was identified Thursday as the primary suspect in the killing of an Iraqi vice president's bodyguard last Christmas Eve inside the Green Zone. Lawyer Stewart P. Riley confirmed that he was representing the U.S. Army veteran but declined to say whether Moonen had been interviewed by investigators. The New York Times revealed Moonen's identity.

"I want to underscore that he has cooperated from the very beginning and has never stopped cooperating," Riley said.

Eyewitnesses to the events of Sept. 16 said the Blackwater convoy, after leaving Nisoor Square, headed north and drove into a knot of cars trying to go down a side road to avoid the square.

"They came at a high speed," said Uday Khalid, 25, a policeman. "They just wanted to escape. They were shooting their way out. They were yelling and shouting."

One Iraqi driver slammed on his brakes and tried to turn around, as did other cars. But a Blackwater guard "immediately opened fire on them," said Amar Kurdi, 30, a policeman who tried to manage the traffic to allow the convoy to pass through.

Kurdi said that he saw only the guards from the rearmost Blackwater vehicle shooting. But the Iraqi Interior Ministry official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is close to the Iraqi government's investigation of the incident, said guards fired from all four vehicles.

The Blackwater guards fired warning shots whenever one of the police officers tried to help the injured, the officers said. "We tried to help the people who were shot, but they wouldn't let us," said Mahdi Daoud, 29, another policeman guarding a civil defense compound.

Moments later, the road cleared and the convoy sped away.

DeYoung reported from Washington. Staff writers Steve Fainaru in El Cerrito, Calif., and Ann Scott Tyson in Washington, and special correspondents Saad al-Izzi and K.I. Ibrahim contributed to this report.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/04/AR2007100402654_pf.html

Okay, the State department isn't happy that their private cowboys are getting in trouble; the fact is that Blackwater is one of the most politically connected companies in America, and they have no desire for there to be any repercussions whatsoever for anything they do. They will fight to keep there from being repercussions.

I think that the fact is, as has been said by many here many times - those running this war aren't concerned with the lives of Iraqis in the slightest, and don't understand how badly they are harming our efforts in Iraq.

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2007 02:04 pm
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WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday ordered federal agents to ride with Blackwater USA escorts of U.S. diplomatic convoys in Baghdad to tighten oversight after a shooting in which private guards are accused of killing 13 Iraqi civilians.


She also ordered video cameras installed in Blackwater vehicles.


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"It's like we've woken up to the fact the emperor has no clothes, but now we're just putting a scarf on it," said Singer, an expert in military contracting.

He said some reports had shown that the Justice Department had had as many as 20 suspected crimes referred to it, but only one had been prosecuted.

"They just disappear into the black hole of DOJ," Singer said. "The bill does its best to sort of force the hand of the executive branch to do something about contractors,
but at end of the day, the ball will be in the executive branch's hands to act or not."

Jim Schmitt, senior vice president of ArmorGroup of North America, a private security contractor, agreed.

"The actual application . . . is only effective if there's a mechanism to create the oversight," Schmitt said. "If we create the law on books and don't have resources, it's very difficult for the law to be enforced."

He said most contractors already operated under the assumption that any crimes committed could send their workers before American juries.

"For our company, it has very little impact," he said. "We've lost individuals in Iraq, but we've never had a breach of law."

Congress decided two years ago that all private security contractors working with the Defense Department should come under the U.S. criminal code.

The bill approved Thursday would expand that to all security contractors, a significant move given the extensive bodyguard work done for the State Department and the U.S. Agency for International Development.

The bill also would require the Bush administration to set up specialized FBI offices in Iraq and Afghanistan to investigate suspected misdeeds.

Amendments approved this week require the Justice Department to give Congress a report on all allegations of misdeeds reported to the agency and how it handled them.

The White House said Wednesday that it supports accountability but "strongly opposes" the bill, calling the jurisdiction vague and saying the FBI offices would stretch the agency too thin. It expressed concerns that the bill would hurt intelligence operations if contractors were exposed through investigations.

It also questioned whether Congress was infringing on the powers of the executive branch.


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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2007 02:11 pm
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Well, now we know that congress can do something right.
Although to be honest, I had always thought that companies like Blackwater were already under a federal code of conduct, I always thought they answered to the military commander.

I guess I was wrong.

But the President is wrong,and so are the repubs that are opposing this bill.
Groups like Blackwater MUST be under some type of control,to prevent the type of thing that just happened, and to hold people accountable.

Without knowing ALL the facts (and none of us here do), and by relying solely on what I have heard reported in the news, I hope everybody involved in the shootings by Blackwater gets either life in prison or death by a military firing squad.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 5 Oct, 2007 02:52 pm
I agree with that. The important thing is that there should be accountability.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 12:06 am
Blackwater is my doing. Years ago on A2K I suggested privatising the war hoping it would come and bite Darth War-dodger in the ass. Blackwater is the privatization of the war and someone's ass is being bitten.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 7 Oct, 2007 11:46 am
The Immorality of Blackwater
American soldiers in Iraq should fight because the cause is right, not because the price is right.

by Daniel Baer

"In effect, the government has used contractors as a way to covertly put more troops on the ground and to attract those who can't be motivated by the cause but who can be motivated by dollars. So-called security personnel working for contractors earn princely salaries many times what a soldier earns. And so, rather than facing the hard slog of convincing Congress and the public to authorize sending more soldiers, the administration has simply bought additional soldiers on the sly.

One of the many reasons why the civilized world has come to accept a moral prohibition on mercenaries is that moral intuition tells us that money is the wrong reason for a person to go onto a battlefield, that war is a unique environment and that soldiers who kill and risk dying for a cause should do so primarily because the cause is right, not because the price is right.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/07/4370/
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 08:18 am
ehem, MONEY is the only reason we have ANYONE on the battlefield.

note to self, instead of joining the air force go for a 50-100k a year contract with blackwater.

Razz
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 08:39 am
Not exactly. You have to join the Air Force first for top notch tax-payer funded training. Then you can sell your services back to us at 50-100K a year.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 08:53 am
the owner is my cousins dad. lol!
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 11:34 am
"Blackwater is the personification of
war as a business,
violence as a service,
and chaos as a product.

Prince recognized the lack of sufficient available US troops and provided a privatized solution. He cannot be faulted for that.

Any corporate master would take the position, like Prince did in front of Congress Tuesday, that his people are perfect, his conduct perfect.

Exposed deceit or corruption at most companies would lead to its own downfall. If it's a monster like Enron, it could conceivably flutter Wall Street for a few days.

But the conduct of companies like Blackwater directly impact US strategic interests.

The obvious polarization of politicians addressing Prince during the hearing indicates that Republicans are willing to bless the use of lethal force by a private individual against the people they are trying to pacify, while Democrats have yet to quite capture what it is about the industry that makes people so nervous.
I say again: Go to Iraq. Talk to the people. Drive in an unmarked car. When an armed convoy pushes you off the road with guns drawn, you'll understand the naked fear that Blackwater sells."
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14731
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Mon 8 Oct, 2007 12:36 pm
For all the credit the White House takes for establishing a democratically elected government in Iraq, it is hardly a sovereign nation.
If it were, it would be able to prosecute Blackwater's bodyguards under its own laws and eject them from the country.
But because the State Department depends so heavily on contractors, it's unlikely they'll be leaving even if the Iraqi government wants them out. That makes our presence a foreign occupation, not benign assistance.

Not so long ago, the United States was a master in the use of soft power and the light touch: food for famine victims, medicine for sick children, visas for foreign students, radio broadcasts about the wonders of our country, diplomatic missions to beg, cajole and threaten wayward countries back into line. As Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli has noted, the U.S. Agency for International Development employed about 15,000 people during the Vietnam era. Today, it has about 3,000. Now we use our billions to hire mercenaries.

It's no wonder the rest of the world doesn't hold us in such high regard anymore.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/08/4389/
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talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 10 Oct, 2007 10:54 pm
Blackwater is a perfect example of a real life privatization program. Were the mercenaries more noble, patriotic or honorable? No, they were there for the bucks, yet privatization as been glorified as the solution to all government projects. Did it bring respect for US presence in Iraq. No, as the mercenaries know that even a million dollars will not guarantee they will live long enough to enjoy it rather that they wanted to survive to enjoy the money. They wanted to survive so the best way was to destroy anything Iraqi that came close as they were deathly afraid of suicidal car bombers. This was their modus operandi. They were concerned about neither honor nor legality. This is exactly the way the Nathaniel Branden Institute dissolved as everyone was for himself/herself. Nathaniel Branden wanted to carry on using Ayn Rand's and having his mistress while Ayn Rand wanted Nathaniel to carry on the affair but was in fifties and not too attractive to Mr. Branden. Selfishness could not build a society.

Darth War-dodger's Administration is the embodiment of Milton Friedman's utopia of:

-less taxes (huge deficit results if an overseas war is being conducted),
-small government (meaning slashing of government services such as health care, infrastructure {let bridges collapse, let cities like New Orleans get flooded, etc.}, no oversight of corporate malfeasance,),
-privatization,
-deregulation (let dangerous practices and accidents occur as many regulations were written as a result of horrendous accidents)

Actually these are steps of the garden path to Milton's Inferno
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 05:15 pm
"Those seeking to pinpoint the date that propelled the private military firm Blackwater into its prominent (and disastrous) position in the U.S. military apparatus might look toward Sept. 11, 2001. Al Clark, one of the company's co-founders, once remarked, "Osama bin Laden turned Blackwater into what it is today." And two weeks after 9/11, Erik Prince, the company's other co-founder and current CEO, told Bill O'Reilly that, after four years in the business, "I was starting to get a little cynical on how seriously people took security. The phone is ringing off the hook now."

However, in her new book, The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein suggests that we should turn the calendar back one day and read the speech that then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld gave to Pentagon staffers on Sept. 10, 2001. The day before 19 hijackers flew passenger flights into the Pentagon and World Trade Center, Rumsfeld darkly warned of "a threat, a serious threat, to the security of the United States of America. … With brutal consistency, it stifles free thought and crushes new ideas. It disrupts the defense of the United States and places the lives of men and women in uniform at risk." Who was this dastardly adversary? "[T]he Pentagon bureaucracy."

Declaring "an all-out campaign to shift the Pentagon's resources from bureaucracy to battlefield, from tail to the tooth," Rumsfeld told his staff to "scour the department for functions that could be performed better and more cheaply through commercial outsourcing." He mentioned healthcare, housing and custodial work, and said that, outside of "warfighting," "we should seek suppliers who can provide these non-core activities efficiently and effectively."

As Jeremy Scahill has reported, the implementation of that plan has been wildly successful, with at least 180,000 private contractors currently employed in Iraq, outnumbering U.S. troops by 20,000, even after the "surge." (In the first Gulf war, the soldier-to-contractor ratio was 60:1.) But the results have been disastrous, from the deplorable conditions at the recently privatized Walter Reed military hospital, to the contaminated food and fecal-soiled bathing water that Halliburton provided to U.S. troops, to the gung-ho Blackwater contractors who prefer to shoot Iraqi hearts rather than win them.

This outsourcing of the military's core services is in keeping with the Bush administration's philosophy of government. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman noted that we've seen the same dynamic at work in the IRS, with the agency outsourcing debt collection of back taxes to private companies, which then receive a share of the return for their work.

But to lay the blame solely at the feet of the Bush administration is to overlook the complicity of Democrats in accepting a neoliberal agenda that has gutted government services and redistributed its wealth into the hands of private interests. After all, the Clinton administration first expanded the use of military contractors, deploying them in the Balkans, Somalia, Haiti and Colombia.

In fact, in late September, as the most recent Blackwater massacres started to gain mainstream press attention, hundreds of corporate luminaries joined Bill Clinton in New York City to extol the charitable efforts of the Clinton Global Initiative. The former president said his humanitarian endeavor is needed to tackle education, poverty and global warming because these are issues the "government won't solve, or that government alone can't solve."

That might be true, but only because we've undergone 30 years of a political ideology that has robbed government of needed revenues, derided regulation that might impinge on corporate profits and sneered at the idea that a public spirit could be preferable to private motives. Rather than rely on the charity of those who have so handsomely profited, it's time we alter the perverse arrangement."
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3354/
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2007 05:48 pm
Interesting.
cjhsa is told that most liberals here feel sorry for his family, to which he retorts that he is a 'moderate' among them.

When asked the natural reaction, logical question "On what issues are they more extreme right than you?", he claims he's being baited.

So being an extreme, bigoted gun nut paranoic is not enough.

He's also a liar.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 12:40 pm
Quote:
BAGHDAD (AP) - U.S. and Iraqi officials are negotiating Baghdad's demand that security company Blackwater USA be expelled from the country within six months, and American diplomats appear to be working on how to fill the security gap if the company is phased out.

The talks about Blackwater's future in Iraq flow from recommendations in an Iraqi government report on the incident Sept. 16 when, Iraqi officials determined, Blackwater guards opened fire without provocation in Baghdad's Nisoor Square and killed 17 Iraqi citizens.

The Iraqi investigators issued five recommendations to the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, which has since sent them to the U.S. Embassy as demands for action.

Point No. 2 in the report says:

"The Iraqi government should demand that the United States stops using the services of Blackwater in Iraqi within six months and replace it with a new, more disciplined organization that would be answerable to Iraqi laws."

Sami al-Askari, a top aide to al-Maliki, said that point in the Iraqi list of demands was nonnegotiable.

"I believe the government has been clear. There have been attacks on the lives of Iraqi citizens on the part of that company (Blackwater). It must be expelled. The government has given six months for its expulsion and it's left to the U.S. Embassy to determine with Blackwater when to terminate the contract. The American administration must find another company," he told AP.


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Why are they negotiating if it is "nonnegotiable?" I mean Iraq is supposed to sovereign; so if they say the company has got to go; then what else is there for the US to say except Ok?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 12:48 pm
revel wrote:


Why are they negotiating if it is "nonnegotiable?" I mean Iraq is supposed to sovereign; so if they say the company has got to go; then what else is there for the US to say except Ok?


These are rhetorical joke questions, right Revel?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 12:52 pm
Blackwater consists of non-uniformed enemy combatants and common sense says that they should be subject to the same illegal detention programs and the same degree of illegal torture that the US is illegally inflicting upon others.

What's good for the goose has got to be good for the gander. It'll build character in those guys.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 04:47 pm
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Blackwater USA is facing a lawsuit over the September 16 killings in Baghdad's Nisour Square. The largest mercenary company working for the US State Department in Iraq, Blackwater may soon need more lawyers on its payroll than it has armed operatives in Baghdad


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Attorney Burke says this case is bigger than the four plaintiffs she is representing. Ultimately, through legal discovery, she wants to expose what the suit alleges is a pattern wherein "excessive and unnecessary use of deadly force by [Blackwater] employees is not investigated or punished in any way."



"We are going to get at the internal corporate files, the e-mails, the memos to expose the corporate culture that is leading to all this death and destruction in Iraq," Burke says. "What these Iraqi families are doing is a civil service to all Iraqis because they don't want anyone else to be killed by Blackwater."
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=14033
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 05:57 pm
Eric Prince is on 60 Minutes tonight to discuss the allegations.
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