Kerry Tasers Student

Why did he have to shut up Slappy?

He was making perfect sense to me. A lot more than a lot of people who ask questions.

What? Was it that they didn't like his particular questions?

Tough. Last time I looked this was a free country and people can ask questions if they like. He wasn't asking anything off the wall. So if someone takes 10 seconds too long to build up to a question and ask it, you tazer him? Again, I didn't see him as being out of control, or even leading up towards being out of control. He wasn't trying to harm anyone.

The most I can see is that he was a little too loud, but like I said, he was excited.

Kerry wasn't trying to stop him.

I dun'no. On dial up, I don't watch a lot of videos. Maybe I should, but off hand, I can't see using a taser without violence, or a threat of violence. I mean, police aren't out there to administer punishment, and that seems to be what is going on too often when these things are employed.

I take Slappy's point on the intelligence of resisting a group of officers Still, he wanted to talk, not do violence. Campus police, or otherwise, I think they were out of line in the first place, trying to interfere with the questions that were being received by the speaker. Way out of line with the taser, as I consider it a fairly violent weapon, though probably less dangerous than a baton up top the head.

funny thing is that i thought most of what i read actually showed kerry wasn't to blame. i just really can't stand him.

fair play to edgar's thought-provoking post, even if i didn't "get the joke" today. it's no wonder, it was too subtle for me on a day when i was in an uber-crappy mood in general. more importantly, campus fascism is still on the rise. bastards. but i think i'm over it for now.

Chai, my point is, him resisting the cops earned his right to be tasered. That's why my "?" was questioned whether or not the campus security jumped the gun trying to shut the guy up, so I don't necessarily agree with them on that.

So campus security were a little quick to run him off from babbling at Kerry. However, he was an idiot for running his mouth once the cops cornered him. He doesn't have any right to wriggle around on the floor and resist the police who are trying to drag him out.

Once an authority figure makes up their mind that you're leaving somewhere, there's no point fighting.

Another thing: the guy is at a college function...a private function. Maybe security made it their own policy to shut people down who were going to use the forum as an opportunity to get up and start babbling crap. It's their right to shut up anybody they want. On the other hand, you can hear Kerry telling them he can answer it. I'm sure Kerry could have handled it with less conflict, at least for a little while.

the young man was clearly trying to trick kerry into revealing that he passed the election over to bush as per his overlord's bidding (the illuminati controlled skull and bones)

this sort of nonsense will not be tolerated

Damn right!

For newbies here, much in this thread is spoken with irony, and some posts aren't.

This isn't - mostly.

Kerry was ready to keep talking, as I understand it, but, then, I wasn't there.

This all brings up the UCLA Powell library incident, and, yes, folks, we've a thread on it.

From my point of view, this was taser practice, readying for the big time when they can use them as a defense line against everyone who goes over the speech clock.

Think of the usage - medical colloquia, community debates, presidental debates, tv hours, aliquotted minutes at the dining table. Taser Fun for the Family!!!

I think some cops are sadists and enjoy tasering. I think some of them are too lazy to do their job, and so resort to it. I think the majority of them are responsible.

not to mention awards show speeches, sally fields sounded like she was being tasered during parts of her acceptance on the emmy's

Yes, I agree with you, Edgar.

And, yep, djjd...





If they are going to taser over enthusiastic questioners, there should be a warning at the door. For decades, maybe even centuries, there are more polite ways to cut a speaker off.

the taser is a kinder, gentler jackboot to the kidneys.

if the police "need" to physically immobilize a person to get him to stop talking, something very wrong has happened to the constitution. "the right to remain silent" rather implies a right to keep talking, as does "anything you say can and will be used against you."

if they're going to taser people for practicing 1st amendment rights, they need to rewrite the miranda warning.

by the way, did they read those to him? if they didn't, he can file for some injunction against the court if memory serves... oh wait, i'm forgetting myself. they're not real cops, so they don't have to follow real rules. THAT must be the key to this story.

agreeing with tinygiraffe here, on the response.

Anyway, here's the UCLA library taser thread. Worth reading from my pov.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=86382&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my experience with them, campus cops are real cops, but it's like being a real cop in a peaceful small town: you don't get to do nothin'. So when something happens that actually requires more attention than, "Can you describe your stolen scooter?" or "Please empty your beer on the ground," they respond out of scale. I mean, really, how can two people not immobilize one pasty weenie of a college student without resorting to electricity?

Yeh, that's it, p'dawg.

Freaked me out, that was the library I was near afraid to walk up the stairs to, my first year (I thought it such a fine place) and then got comfortable in. Enrages me that they would do that. But, in my experience and observation, I wasn't afraid of the c.cops. I'm white and female and am only mentally impaired on a2k, so not a cop magnet.

The whole thing of tasers used for low reasons, no id card, going over a time limit with enthusiasm... is
into policestate-ville. Supremely creepy.

I gather tinygiraffe and I disagree on politics, but I wouldn't like this whate'er the questioner.

Oh, and agreeing with pdawg and whether campus police are real cops, in that some goodly proportion are x-police system. Re the legalities, I don't know, there may be a manifest difference re the details, power.

The last two universities I've spent time at they are full-fledged police officers, with a little police station and everything. These are very big schools, though -- 30,000 to 40,000 students, plus 10,000 or so staff, really their own small cities. The present one even has it's own power plant. So, fully state-vested authority, with the same privileges and responsibilities as the city cops.

Course, in Seattle the city cops were inexperienced, panicky, herd-thinking critters, too...

i have no idea ossobuco, i think we probably agree on a number of things, and at any rate, most (or all) of your posts make enough sense to me.

i think of politics as the thing that distracts us when we're trying to talk about issues. maybe that's because i'd rather live in a democracy than a republic, where we vote on particular things instead of just people (or a party) to allegedly represent us. i'm sure we don't agree on everything, most people don't.

I can imagine the thing at UCLA happening, now that it has, not that I like it, but what the hell is going on with having lasertazer-lugs at the front line at something like this event in Florida? Is there no screening of the kumquats?

Well, maybe it was a cleverly disguised assassination attempt that they managed to thwart without looking like it was even happening.

There's a conspiracy, you see, to conceal the contract on Kerry's life. It's a Skull-and-Bones thing. Clearly this guy was on to it and was working himself up to correcting a major injustice.








Man, the stuff you figure out when you wear a tinfoil helmet.

Alliterative, we are.

Tiny, I think you're sharp, welcome to a2k, and we'll probably disagree on items. Let's enjoy..








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