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Tue 18 Sep, 2007 09:03 pm
It was all in good fun," Kerry told a newspaper reporter from Fox. "I didn't know he would go crying to his mommy." Kidnapping charges are being considered by authorities, who claim John Kerry held the boy against his will, giving him noogies, at the end of the incident. The student was taken into protective custody, until the irate politician left the scene. On being released, he went straight to his father's waiting car and left with no comment.
Kerry has gone into seclusion.
The Swift Boat Lynch Committy milled about outside the compound, but left without seeing the senator.
Uh, yeah! !?
Yer makin' this up, right?
there seems to be another side of the story, according to the wikipedia article. of course, it's being disputed and may be deleted (and may be entirely concocted.) i thought it was interesting enough to include this:
Quote:During a question-and-answer session with a few remaining questioners, Kerry announced he would take no more questions from the two short lines[citation needed]. Meyer, who reportedly had been waiting in line[citation needed], rushed to an open mike and insisted that Senator Kerry answer the questions of the remaining people in both lines.[citation needed] Kerry agreed that it would only be fair to answer the questions of the remaining people as well.[citation needed] Kerry completed an answer to the other line, then returned his attention to Meyer's line and pointed at Meyer.[citation needed] Meyer prefaced his question for the audience and Kerry, then proceeded to ask three questions:
1. Why did Kerry concede the 2004 presidential election before results were tallied and despite numerous irregularities (as documented by journalist Greg Palast in his book Armed Madhouse)?[1]
2. On what grounds does Kerry not support the impeachment of President George W. Bush?
3. Were Kerry and Bush both members of the Yale University secret society known as Skull and Bones?[2][3]
Just after Meyer had asked his third and final question, the microphone into which Meyer had been speaking was cut off and two University of Florida police officers seized him as Kerry said, "Let me answer his question."
The student pulled away and demanded an explanation of the officers' conduct. He shouted "Help!", "What have I done?" and "Get away from me!", with his arms raised in the air. All four officers began forcibly ushering him to the back of the room as Meyer attempted to stand his ground.
During this time, some audience members shouted phrases such as "What has he done?", "Why are you doing this?" and "Let him go!". Once in the rear of the hall Meyer attempted again to break away from the officers.
The officers wrestled him to the ground and attempted to handcuff him. As Meyer lay pinned by the five officers, they threatened to taser him. Meyer stated that if allowed up, he would leave. The officer replied that he does not have that option[citation needed]. Meyer said "Don't tase me bro, don't tase me", but was drive stunned shortly after. He continued screaming for help as the officers removed him from the room.
During the altercation, Kerry urged everyone to calm down, made a joke and kept speaking to Meyer's question, which he referred to as "very important". Meyer was then escorted off the premises and detained overnight.[4]
i hate john kerry passionately, by the way. this wouldn't have happened if he'd been deported from the u.s. as a traitor (election fraud is all that comes to mind) but i'm not convinced he had anything to do with the incident. making a joke when i guy was just tasered sounds a bit crap, though. thanks john, please go back to vietnam or something.
I wrote my little piece, anticipating the right wing slant on the story. Kerry has been maligned every step of the way, ever since he came home from Vietnam. His actions, aimed at ending the war, mirrored my own, and a generation of young Americans, who saw the hypocracy of pursuing the war, and the futility of trying to subdue a people in an endless war that had no chance of making the population swing over to the American government's viewpoint. But, the right will have their way with a story.
The guy that got tasered was asking for it. We is obviously a publicity hound looking for his 15 minutes.
The video can be found here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag
I am curious what could possibly misconstrued as a joke by Kerry when the kid who was obviously fighting the police was tasered.
I do not see how Meyer was "asking for it". As far as I can ascertain, he just asked a few questions, and got dragged out and tasered. And when did Kerry make a joke of him being tasered? Sorry I don't follow American news.
Quincy wrote:I do not see how Meyer was "asking for it". As far as I can ascertain, he just asked a few questions, and got dragged out and tasered. And when did Kerry make a joke of him being tasered? Sorry I don't follow American news.
Thanks for asking these questions Quincy, I was wondering the same thing myself, and frankly, just felt I would look stupid asking.
First, the name of this thread is misleading. It makes it sound like John Kerry actually tazered someone himself.
Why, he didn't even tell anyone to tazer anyone, or indicate in any way he wanted someone tasered. He didn't even say "get this guy out of here"
so...Unless I'm a complete idiot....John Kerry did no such thing.
Also, I must have missed it, but what's the deal with saying Kerry gave him "noogies"...?
Would someone care to explain any of this?
Myself, I didn't see anything that caused me to think this guy should have gotten hurt in this way.
i don't CLAIM to know what's going on with the actual story, just that i found something on wikipedia (which i posted) and i didn't know where it was from. it seems a good deal of it was from abc news- however, edgar's post and wikipedia both suggested that kerry made sarcastic remarks or jokes about the incident (later on.)
i'm not trying to put a right wing slant on the story, in fact, i'm not trying to put any slant on it one way or the other. i just haven't liked him since i *supported* him in 2004, and felt he threw the election, just like i felt gore did in 2000. either way, i don't think anyone deserved to get tasered, and if kerry did made a joke about it, he's a jackass.
PS edgar... I got it :wink: good job.
Chai wrote:First, the name of this thread is misleading. It makes it sound like John Kerry actually tazered someone himself.
tinygiraffe wrote:however, edgar's post and wikipedia both suggested that kerry made sarcastic remarks or jokes about the incident (later on.)
Chai and Tiny,
Edgar's post was sarcasm. He was playing on how he was sure the conservative media would play this story.
(He said so, by the way, in his second post, previous page.)
Nimh
Thanks for responding. I guess I didn't get it.
Problem is...I still don't get it.
So...what WAS the real story?
I mean, I watched the vid on YouTube, and seeing those tazer bolts made me sick to my stomach.
Real story seemed to be that Kerry was giving some sort of a speech before an audience. A guy got up and asked some questions. Kerry was willing to answer those questions -- and tried to do so -- but for some reason the police decided that the questioner was bad news and took action that ended up with the guy being tasered. Kerry didn't order the tasering and didn't even know about it until later.
i think the thing that tipped the scales was that the guy was aggressively determined to ask his question...
Yeah, that's pretty much the way I saw it soz.
soz, for your benefit, I'll describe what it sounded like.
At first, soz, the guy, before asking his questions, was just talking to Kerry. Without watching the whole vid again, I can't remember about what.....Someone standing there told him, in so many words to stop, go sit down, something like that.
The guy replied that he was merely giving some background so Kerry would have some context for his questions, so he was permitted to keep talking. He spoke briefly again, and then said something like....now, I've got 3 questions, to which some people either groaned a little, or laughed lightly....
He then asked his questions, and he was loud in his speech, but not yelling. It was more like he was very excited. He was a little agressive, saying something to the effect of "so answer my questions! answer them!"
I didn't think he was showing any signs of becoming violent or anything.
The police, who as you can see were shifting around behind him, then tried to get him to move away, and grabbed him by the arms, and, well, you can see the rest.
When he was on the ground, he must have seen them take out a tazer, because that's when he started saying...."don't tazer me" he said that several times, sounding a little more desparate each time. Then he said Ouch! or ow a few times, and at first I thought that was when he was getting shocked.....no...they just must have been restraining him, because you could REALLY tell the difference when he got hit with the volts....."Ohhhhh.....uhhhhhh....moan...." There was no mistaking he was in real pain. He also sounded really helpless.
You can see the electric 3 or 4 times, and after hearing his moans the first time, for me at least the next hits were really hard to listen to. Really sickening. Some people were yelling out "That's police brutality!" and I certainly have to agree with them.
Before he was tazered, I did hear Kerry say a couple of times "Let me answer his questions"
Anyway, I'm sorry edgar if I didn't get you were joking. I still don't "get" what the joke was supposed to be, but I'm sure it's my fault, not yours.
Region Philbis wrote:i think the thing that tipped the scales was that the guy was aggressively determined to ask his question...
Wasn't that what Kerry was there for?
To answer questions?
I think the police where out of hand.
I think he deserved it. The cops didn't just drag him to the ground and tazer him...he was resisting,
First he didn't shut up when asked.
Then he kept going when they shut his mic off.
Then he was resisting the cop's attempt to walk him out.
Maybe they jumped the gun on asking him to shut up & shutting the mic off? But the cops did their job, they're not getting paid to wrestle with people. If someone isn't smart enough to be submissive to a group of cops, they deserve what's coming.
Perspective, folks.
Campus cops don't get the opportunity to play with their toys very often.