Mid-East Roadmap, Is it working?

Frank

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Once again you are equating the existence of the state of Israel in the Middle East -- with the continued existence of Jews in the world.

It is you who are equating the existence of Israel with the continued existence of Jews in the world.

Both of which you would like to see disappear.

How many times have you said I am not an anti-Semite even though no one said you were. "Frank Thou dost protest too much".

Regarding whether IMO you are or are not an Anti-Semite I will keep that to my self …

...and let your words speak for you.

The subject is the State of Israel and it's existence period. Nothing more noting less and whether the road map is or is not working.
As for what the Israeli's would or would not do if they were faced with another Holocaust I do not know. However if were an Israeli I know darn well what I would do and it would not to march like a sheep to the gas chamber.

As for whether there can be peaceful coexistence between Israel and it's neighbors actually in time I believe there will be.

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If by that you meant that you think Israel will take the whole Middle East with it if it is destroyed -- or if you meant that Israel will take the entire planet down with them if it comes to that -- then I agree with you.

I think they will do that.

I knew you would agree with that. The perfidious Jews are capable of anything. Who the hell are they to want to defend themselves.

…before Israel goes down and there is another holocaust the entire region will. Never again means never again. However, it will never come to that.

US troops to the mid east is something I fully support. Earlier in this thread someone said that the Palestinian willingness to accept US military intervention is indicative of the fear Palestinians have of Isreal's retaliation but Palestinians have long welcomed outside intervention.

They can't control their militants and an uninvolved party that is not going to use terrorism as a pretext for territorial expantion is prefferable to them.

Up to this point it has been the Israelis who reject that option, and vehemently.

Whoa! Do you think that is a possibility, Craven? If Israel does not support it? Would the US populace support it, do you think? I gather Bush's popularity is falling - in the latest polling - and it is speculated that it is partly a result of fear of a protracted stay in Iraq. What about a multi-national force under the UN banner? Such as remains of it.....

au1929 wrote:
Frank
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Once again you are equating the existence of the state of Israel in the Middle East -- with the continued existence of Jews in the world.

au
It is you who are equating the existence of Israel with the continued existence of Jews in the world.


Frank
No, that is not correct. You are the one making statements that seem to indicate that you consider the continuance of the state of Israel to be equivalent to the continuance of the Jewish people.

Personally, I think the state of Israel could be set up some place else – preferably, in my opinion, here in the United States some way.

Barring that, I think the only solution that works is to have the state of Israel cease to exist

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How many times have you said I am not an anti-Semite even though no one said you were. "Frank Thou dost protest too much".

Frank
Horseshit! If I mention I am not an anti-Semite, it is because of the structure of what is being discussed. Go back and read the stuff that went on before I mentioned that I am not an anti-Semite in this thread. The entire reason for the mention was that I am doing some of the things you consider anti-Semitic – and I am telling you that you are a jerk for thinking that some of these things indicate anti-Semitism.

AU
The subject is the state of Israel and it's existence period. Nothing more noting less and whether the road map is or is not working.
As for what the Israeli's would or would not do if they were faced with another Holocaust I do not know. However if were an Israeli I know darn well what I would do and it would not to march like a sheep to the gas chamber.

Frank
You are doing that again. You are equating the existence of Israel – with the existence of Jews.

As for whether there can be peaceful coexistence between Israel and it's neighbors actually in time I believe there will be.

Frank
Yeah, sure you do! And, pray tell, what exactly are you basing that "belief" on?

You are the one who mentioned that…Quote:
…before Israel goes down and there is another holocaust the entire region will. Never again means never again. However, it will never come to that

au
If you think that statement was an ugly one, you should not have mentioned it. To castigate me for agreeing with you is absurd.

And the sarcasm of ". Who the hell are they to want to defend themselves" is so damn corny and inappropriate, I amazed you can use it without blushing.

Frank
You must have been a bad boy.
I guess when all else fails it's get nasty time. . Shame on you!